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Англия, правь морями...
von Echenbach: 1. Ваши проекты и их критика. 2. В теме Минимально-максимальные имеется попытка создания супер-Улисса (по А. Маклину) и универсального крейсера. 3. Проект "супер-Виктория": отголосок французских ромбов, Инфлексибл и проект Фишера-Уоттса о 4х2 ГК с наложением на проект Виктория с добавлением "мелочи" из Центурион: 2 - 412 (1х2) 420/28 в носу, 6 (3х2) 254/32 -ромбом, 8-12 4,7/32.
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von Echenbach: "Полифемус", таран. Что можно бы можно из его идеи придумать?
Dampir: В смысле из тарана? Идея Барнаби была в бронепалубном миноносце для прорыва в гавань и атаки кораблей на якоре - задача для торпедных катеров (Кронштадская побудка) и подводных лодок.
von Echenbach: Monarch - великолепный броненосец, не очень понятно, почему дальнейшее развитие пошло (пОшло :-) ?) в "диагональ", кроме увлечения тараном и носовым огнём? что можно бы создать из "классики" Монарха?
von Echenbach: аи-развитие типа "Пенелопа" с идеями крейсера ПВО и лидера ЭМ (реальный "Дидо"). Великоват получился, в отличие от начального замысла. И проект требует "доработки"... остойчивость и то-сё. Японские слова разные. Заинтересовавшихся коллег приглашаю участвовать в совершенствовании проекта. ГК размещён в батареях по 2х2, 3 батареи(6х2) линейно, на уровне верхней палубы и 4-я батарея - сниженно, на палубе полуюта. Возможны: 1. ГК в барбетах за щитами башенноподобными с совмещением "полуторно-палубного" барбета для получения низкорасположенной установки ГК и снижения центра масс, 3. Подобные аи-ГК "полуторные" встроенные в палубу и отдалённо напоминающие казематные установки МЗА 40-мм. аи Дидо, Англия аи аи кр-лидер пво laid down 1934 Displacement: 5 164 t light; 5 306 t standard; 5 848 t normal; 6 282 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (472,46 ft / 452,76 ft) x 52,49 ft x (16,40 / 17,30 ft) (144,01 m / 138,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,00 / 5,27 m) Armament: 16 - 5,28" / 134 mm 45,0 cal guns - 74,04lbs / 33,58kg shells, 20 per gun Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 raised mounts 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 2,11lbs / 0,96kg shells, 650 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 1 218 lbs / 553 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,532 t each, 9,194 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 132,28 lbs / 60,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,591 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,52" / 64 mm 269,03 ft / 82,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,26" / 32 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 52,49 ft / 16,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,35" / 9 mm 1,26" / 32 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,35" / 9 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,71" / 18 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 46 057 shp / 34 359 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 4 600nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 975 tons Complement: 333 - 434 Cost: £2,363 million / $9,452 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 387 tons, 6,6% - Guns: 375 tons, 6,4% - Weapons: 12 tons, 0,2% Armour: 924 tons, 15,8% - Belts: 364 tons, 6,2% - Armament: 136 tons, 2,3% - Armour Deck: 420 tons, 7,2% - Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 325 tons, 22,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 527 tons, 43,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 684 tons, 11,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 793 lbs / 3 988 Kg = 119,8 x 5,3 " / 134 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13 Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,525 / 0,535 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,63 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,50 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 46,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,47 ft / 5,94 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181,3% Waterplane Area: 16 860 Square feet or 1 566 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125% Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 491 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,07 - Longitudinal: 2,55 - Overall: 1,17 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Ретирадные версии: КД5 - 12(3х4) 14", прочее близко реалу аи Принц Уэллский, аи Англия лк аи laid down 1935 Displacement: 34 919 t light; 36 982 t standard; 39 430 t normal; 41 388 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (735,64 ft / 705,38 ft) x 104,99 ft x (32,81 / 34,06 ft) (224,22 m / 215,00 m) x 32,00 m x (10,00 / 10,38 m) Armament: 12 - 14,02" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 388,37lbs / 629,75kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model 1 x 4-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 4-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 16 - 5,24" / 133 mm 45,0 cal guns - 72,40lbs / 32,84kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 raised mounts - superfiring 16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 17 850 lbs / 8 097 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 416,67 ft / 127,00 m 14,76 ft / 4,50 m Ends: 14,0" / 356 mm 147,64 ft / 45,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m 141,08 ft / 43,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads: 0,79" / 20 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72,18 ft / 22,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 12,8" / 324 mm 5,91" / 150 mm 12,6" / 320 mm 2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,26" / 32 mm 3rd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 5,98" / 152 mm Forecastle: 2,99" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 5,00" / 127 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,49" / 114 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 100 177 shp / 74 732 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 9 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 4 406 tons Complement: 1 398 - 1 818 Cost: £16,731 million / $66,922 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 829 tons, 9,7% - Guns: 3 829 tons, 9,7% Armour: 14 274 tons, 36,2% - Belts: 5 341 tons, 13,5% - Torpedo bulkhead: 113 tons, 0,3% - Armament: 2 937 tons, 7,4% - Armour Deck: 5 771 tons, 14,6% - Conning Tower: 112 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 2 846 tons, 7,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 13 970 tons, 35,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 511 tons, 11,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 66 605 lbs / 30 211 Kg = 48,4 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 7,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11 Metacentric height 6,6 ft / 2,0 m Roll period: 17,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,87 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,33 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,568 / 0,574 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,72 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 31,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Forward deck: 48,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Aft deck: 18,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Quarter deck: 16,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 27,34 ft / 8,33 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 203,6% Waterplane Area: 54 745 Square feet or 5 086 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110% Structure weight / hull surface area: 203 lbs/sq ft or 990 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,90 - Longitudinal: 1,91 - Overall: 0,97 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Нельсон (почти реал): аи Нельсон, аи Англия лк аи laid down 1921 Displacement: 31 605 t light; 33 683 t standard; 35 538 t normal; 37 022 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (689,71 ft / 659,45 ft) x 108,27 ft x (29,53 / 30,49 ft) (210,22 m / 201,00 m) x 33,00 m x (9,00 / 9,29 m) Armament: 9 - 15,98" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 059,37lbs / 934,11kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 5,24" / 133 mm 45,0 cal guns - 72,40lbs / 32,84kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1921 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1921 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 19 435 lbs / 8 815 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 410,11 ft / 125,00 m 14,76 ft / 4,50 m Ends: 13,0" / 330 mm 147,64 ft / 45,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m 101,71 ft / 31,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 96% of normal length - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads: 0,79" / 20 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Beam between torpedo bulkheads 72,18 ft / 22,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 16,0" / 406 mm 10,2" / 260 mm 15,0" / 381 mm 2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,26" / 32 mm 3rd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 5,98" / 152 mm Forecastle: 2,99" / 76 mm Quarter deck: 3,74" / 95 mm - Conning towers: Forward 14,02" / 356 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 48 871 shp / 36 458 Kw = 23,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 3 338 tons Complement: 1 293 - 1 682 Cost: £8,028 million / $32,111 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 943 tons, 11,1% - Guns: 3 943 tons, 11,1% Armour: 14 948 tons, 42,1% - Belts: 4 957 tons, 13,9% - Torpedo bulkhead: 113 tons, 0,3% - Armament: 4 005 tons, 11,3% - Armour Deck: 5 546 tons, 15,6% - Conning Tower: 326 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 1 683 tons, 4,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 031 tons, 31,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 933 tons, 11,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 50 529 lbs / 22 920 Kg = 24,7 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 7,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 7,2 ft / 2,2 m Roll period: 16,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,76 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,590 / 0,595 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,09 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 30,25 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Forward deck: 48,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Aft deck: 18,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Quarter deck: 16,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 27,34 ft / 8,33 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 216,7% Waterplane Area: 53 905 Square feet or 5 008 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100% Structure weight / hull surface area: 174 lbs/sq ft or 849 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 1,64 - Overall: 0,76 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Warning: Wrong mount for rapid fire gun - 3rd Battery
von Echenbach: Немного о возможных тактических упражнениях: Как могли реагировать англичане в ответ на набеговые операции немцев на дозоры в северных проходах? Как разовых, так и систематических. В т.ч. и с привлечением ПЛ в зонах возможного маневрирования английских ЛК и АВ. "Энигма" служит для вспомогательных сообщений, т.е. у немцев "двойной" шифр.
von Echenbach: Англичане могли БЫ к 1938-39 гг.: 1. Попытаться перевооружить крейсера т. "С" на спаренные установки универсальных орудий а) 102 \4-6х2\, б) 120-мм, в) 113 или 133-мм... - почему самый реальный путь не приняли? 2. Строили "для замены" "С"\Е\D с "выведением" из состава \ с передачей доминионам или переводом в учебные после некоей модернизации \. Каким мог стать "новый проект 1935 года" тип ЛгКР лидера-скаута-ПВО, если принять "Дидо" избыточными по размерам и предвидеть развал ограничительных соглашений? Примерно в 4500-5200 т и 32-33 уз. +-
von Echenbach: Проект английского "лидера ЛгКР" - лидер "Аретьюз", возможное развитие типа "таун"-"С". Дредноутный тип крейсера. 4200-5353 т, 30 уз - 40 000 лс, 2 винта - практически ри, 4х2 7"/45 (три башни в корме, возвышенная на срезе полубака. Четвёртая башня в носу. Лёгкие 180-мм в лёгких башнях с ускоренным перезаряжанием до 4-6 в/мин - аи), 8 4"/50 (пристрелочно-противоминных) в батарее длинного полубака, 2-4 аа 12фнт, 2х2 533-мм та. Б - 50, п - 25. аи-"Фробишер"- laid down 1912 Displacement: 4 069 t light; 4 326 t standard; 4 840 t normal; 5 252 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (471,64 ft / 456,04 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 17,40 ft) (143,75 m / 139,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,30 m) Armament: 8 - 7,09" / 180 mm 45,0 cal guns - 179,46lbs / 81,40kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 4,02" / 102 mm 50,0 cal guns - 34,28lbs / 15,55kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 2 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 1 737 lbs / 788 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,251 t each, 5,002 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 387,14 ft / 118,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 0,59" / 15 mm 45,93 ft / 14,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 131% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,98" / 25 mm Forecastle: 0,00" / 0 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 39 825 shp / 29 709 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 3 200nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 926 tons Complement: 289 - 377 Cost: £0,515 million / $2,060 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 475 tons, 9,8% - Guns: 465 tons, 9,6% - Weapons: 10 tons, 0,2% Armour: 780 tons, 16,1% - Belts: 365 tons, 7,5% - Armament: 167 tons, 3,5% - Armour Deck: 236 tons, 4,9% - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 582 tons, 32,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 172 tons, 24,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 771 tons, 15,9% Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 1,2% - Hull below water: 60 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 271 lbs / 1 030 Kg = 12,8 x 7,1 " / 180 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17 Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 13,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,493 / 0,504 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,93 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,40 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,87 ft / 5,45 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161,6% Waterplane Area: 14 419 Square feet or 1 340 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89% Structure weight / hull surface area: 58 lbs/sq ft or 282 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,60 - Longitudinal: 1,48 - Overall: 0,65 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily В некотором смысле рефлексия на тему в ЖЖ ув. Бобра - О слонах Фишера ;-)) https://biber550.livejournal.com/46687.html?view=comments#comments
von Echenbach: ЭМ "нового флота" 1300-1500 т, 32 уз, 5 102, 2х3 та. "Колибри", laid down 1912 Displacement: 1 155 t light; 1 197 t standard; 1 331 t normal; 1 438 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (382,56 ft / 364,17 ft) x 26,25 ft x (9,84 / 10,41 ft) (116,61 m / 111,00 m) x 8,00 m x (3,00 / 3,17 m) Armament: 5 - 4,02" / 102 mm 50,0 cal guns - 34,28lbs / 15,55kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 250 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 175 lbs / 79 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,251 t each, 7,503 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 101,41 lbs / 46,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,453 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 282,15 ft / 86,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 119% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 25 041 shp / 18 680 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 241 tons Complement: 109 - 143 Cost: £0,149 million / $0,596 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 51 tons, 3,8% - Guns: 35 tons, 2,6% - Weapons: 16 tons, 1,2% Armour: 38 tons, 2,9% - Belts: 34 tons, 2,6% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,2% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 708 tons, 53,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 358 tons, 26,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 175 tons, 13,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 399 lbs / 181 Kg = 12,3 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,36 Metacentric height 1,2 ft / 0,4 m Roll period: 10,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,25 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,495 / 0,506 Length to Beam Ratio: 13,88 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,29 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 31,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 27,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 41,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,62 ft / 3,54 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 178,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104,0% Waterplane Area: 6 592 Square feet or 612 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 63% Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 146 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,61 - Longitudinal: 1,17 - Overall: 0,65 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: "Турбиния" как прототип малых миноносцев (40-60 т, 32-36 уз, 2-4 та, 1-2 37, 150-200 миль на 24-18 уз, возможен ДВС малого хода) для атак портов (боны, сети, дозорные брандвахтенные корабли, действия в акватории базы), доставляются к месту действия носителем, 4-6-8 на борту. Ваши мнения и возможные проекты?
von Echenbach: Возможно... 1. Ниша малых АВ - для прикрытия "подходов" и ПЛО-ПВО небольших отрядов, 2. Дизелизация (можно и турбины оставить) подобной ниши ЛгАВ - или Крейсерских АВ, не Эскортные. 12-15 самолетов: 3 - разведчики, м.б. ГС, 9-6 истребители и 3-6 пикировщики. Или торпедоносцы. Фулмар-Суордфиш-Гладиатор/Буффало - ? "Острова" нет, заваливающиеся мачты-краны, носовая катапульта и бортовые спонсоны-дымоходы за миделем. 4-6 ед. Индевор/Роубак/Бигль/Эспаньола/Клам/Сюрприз - laid down 1935, Displacement: 5 004 t light; 5 176 t standard; 5 452 t normal; 5 673 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (538,82 ft / 518,37 ft) x 49,21 ft x (16,40 / 16,89 ft) (164,23 m / 158,00 m) x 15,00 m x (5,00 / 5,15 m) Armament: 12 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 2,11lbs / 0,96kg shells, 850 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 409 lbs / 185 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,01" / 51 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 0,98" / 25 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 124,67 ft / 38,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 78% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,52" / 64 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 2 shafts, 35 318 shp / 26 347 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 3 300nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 497 tons Complement: 316 - 412 Cost: £1,710 million / $6,839 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 80 tons, 1,5% - Guns: 80 tons, 1,5% Armour: 1 009 tons, 18,5% - Belts: 267 tons, 4,9% - Armament: 21 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 713 tons, 13,1% - Conning Tower: 7 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 003 tons, 18,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 352 tons, 43,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 448 tons, 8,2% Miscellaneous weights: 560 tons, 10,3% - Hull below water: 400 tons - Hull above water: 100 tons - On freeboard deck: 60 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 10 636 lbs / 4 824 Kg = 328,5 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 92 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,15 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,85 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,456 / 0,461 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,53 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,02 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,96 ft / 6,09 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 201,6% Waterplane Area: 16 989 Square feet or 1 578 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 145% Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 386 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,02 - Longitudinal: 2,26 - Overall: 1,10 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: Английская версия "Тенрю": аи- Аретьюза (4х120) и аи-Каледон/Бристоль- м.б. более ранний и аи-Шекспир (4х1 4,7/45 или 4х1 152/40), возможно и аиХаукинс (4х1 190/45).
von Echenbach: АИ-супер"Родней" - дополнительная башня с 3 406 в корму, 16-20 102 спаренных универсальных , 12-20 40-мм. Чуть тоньше бронирование + около 2500-3000 т к ри. - 3 штуки. laid down 1924, Displacement: 33 030 t light; 35 396 t standard; 38 436 t normal; 40 869 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (736,10 ft / 715,22 ft) x 111,55 ft x (31,17 / 32,70 ft) (224,36 m / 218,00 m) x 34,00 m x (9,50 / 9,97 m) Armament: 12 - 15,98" / 406 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 059,37lbs / 934,11kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1924 Model 3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 raised mount 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 16 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1924 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1924 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 25 266 lbs / 11 461 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,0" / 356 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Ends: 12,0" / 305 mm 180,45 ft / 55,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m 206,69 ft / 63,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 71% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 10,2" / 260 mm 15,0" / 380 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,47" / 12 mm - 3rd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 5,98" / 152 mm Forecastle: 3,54" / 90 mm Quarter deck: 4,33" / 110 mm - Conning towers: Forward 14,02" / 356 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 51 304 shp / 38 272 Kw = 23,00 kts Range 11 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 5 473 tons Complement: 1 372 - 1 784 Cost: £11,508 million / $46,032 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 4 998 tons, 13,0% - Guns: 4 998 tons, 13,0% Armour: 16 054 tons, 41,8% - Belts: 4 900 tons, 12,7% - Armament: 4 895 tons, 12,7% - Armour Deck: 5 915 tons, 15,4% - Conning Tower: 344 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 1 690 tons, 4,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 288 tons, 26,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 407 tons, 14,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 38 898 lbs / 17 644 Kg = 19,0 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 4,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 7,1 ft / 2,2 m Roll period: 17,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,95 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,55 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,541 / 0,548 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,41 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 29,24 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 34,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 31,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Average freeboard: 24,26 ft / 7,40 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 180,4% Waterplane Area: 56 566 Square feet or 5 255 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92% Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 794 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,64 - Longitudinal: 1,23 - Overall: 0,68 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Энсонов м.б. и 6 шт. - за счёт вывода Роялов в эскортные ЛК. + версия супер-аи Куин/Вэнгард: 4х2 457/45. P.S.: к более ранним сообщениям - очень возможно, что Тенрю и пр. , в т.ч. и итальянские-французские ЛгКР были развитием идеи "С"- класса.
von Echenbach: "экономный" ответ англичан на появление-строительство "карманников": класс "эскортные мониторы" "Кэптен"- 12-20 ед, 7000т, 18 уз, 2х2 343 со списываемых дредноутов. "х2 в башнях с облегченным бронированием, линейно-возвышенно в корме, на полубаке 6 102 и 4 40-мм. ДУ - м.б. паровые турбины или дизели, на паре - экспериментально - элекродвижение и турбо/дизель генераторы. Борт - 9 дм, палуба - 4 дм. type laid down 1928, Displacement: 6 061 t light; 6 433 t standard; 6 602 t normal; 6 737 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (347,77 ft / 324,80 ft) x 72,18 ft (Bulges 91,86 ft) x (13,78 / 14,05 ft) (106,00 m / 99,00 m) x 22,00 m (Bulges 28,00 m) x (4,20 / 4,28 m) Armament: 4 - 13,50" / 343 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 241,76lbs / 563,25kg shells, 80 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 6 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 5 171 lbs / 2 345 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,315 t each, 5,258 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 88,18 lbs / 40,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,394 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 9,02" / 229 mm 173,88 ft / 53,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,99" / 76 mm 121,39 ft / 37,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 29,53 ft / 9,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 82% of normal length Main Belt inclined 19,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 9,02" / 229 mm 2,52" / 64 mm 9,02" / 229 mm 2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - - 3rd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 4,02" / 102 mm Forecastle: 1,26" / 32 mm Quarter deck: 1,26" / 32 mm - Conning towers: Forward 5,98" / 152 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 11 866 shp / 8 852 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 3 300nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 303 tons Complement: 366 - 476 Cost: £2,815 million / $11,258 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 097 tons, 16,6% - Guns: 1 086 tons, 16,4% - Weapons: 11 tons, 0,2% Armour: 2 659 tons, 40,3% - Belts: 897 tons, 13,6% - Armament: 592 tons, 9,0% - Armour Deck: 1 125 tons, 17,0% - Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 369 tons, 5,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 936 tons, 29,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 541 tons, 8,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 125 lbs / 2 778 Kg = 5,0 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 2,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,53 Metacentric height 6,3 ft / 1,9 m Roll period: 15,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,31 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,15 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,562 / 0,562 Length to Beam Ratio: 3,54 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,58 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,3% Waterplane Area: 17 231 Square feet or 1 601 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84% Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 514 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,49 - Longitudinal: 2,02 - Overall: 0,57 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: И что-как могли ответить англичане на вот такой проект "аи-Висбаден" - ?: laid down 1911, Displacement: 2 931 t light; 3 075 t standard; 3 355 t normal; 3 580 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (373,55 ft / 364,17 ft) x 45,93 ft x (13,12 / 13,78 ft) (113,86 m / 111,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,00 / 4,20 m) Armament: 6 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 20,97lbs / 9,51kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 791 lbs / 359 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,913 t each, 7,301 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 125% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 3,54" / 90 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,73" / 44 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 27 406 shp / 20 445 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 2 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 505 tons Complement: 219 - 286 Cost: £0,321 million / $1,284 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 223 tons, 6,7% - Guns: 209 tons, 6,2% - Weapons: 15 tons, 0,4% Armour: 804 tons, 23,9% - Belts: 279 tons, 8,3% - Armament: 148 tons, 4,4% - Armour Deck: 360 tons, 10,7% - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 080 tons, 32,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 824 tons, 24,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 424 tons, 12,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 103 lbs / 954 Kg = 20,4 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26 Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 12,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,535 / 0,544 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,93 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,10 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 40,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 28,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,09 ft / 5,21 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171,8% Waterplane Area: 11 980 Square feet or 1 113 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91% Structure weight / hull surface area: 50 lbs/sq ft or 243 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,56 - Longitudinal: 1,65 - Overall: 0,62 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Супер-Монарх Рида - несколько увеличенный Монарх с двумя винтами, усиленной броней и уменьшенной парусностью (две трехногие мачты с вооружением по типу брига). Основное изменение - четыре башни линейно-возвышенно (4х2) 12" ml 25t. Имелись версии проекта с вооружением ГК из 14 или 16-дм калибра, но отсутствие готовых орудий не позволило приступить к реализации. down 1870, Displacement: 7 653 t light; 8 019 t standard; 8 550 t normal; 8 975 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,90 ft / 364,17 ft) x 62,34 ft x (22,97 / 23,88 ft) (115,49 m / 111,00 m) x 19,00 m x (7,00 / 7,28 m) Armament: 8 - 12,01" / 305 mm 22,0 cal guns - 652,62lbs / 296,03kg shells, 60 per gun Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1870 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 25,0 cal guns - 40,07lbs / 18,17kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1870 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas Weight of broadside 5 542 lbs / 2 514 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,080 t each, 0,319 t total submerged bow & stern tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,99" / 203 mm 177,17 ft / 54,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: 4,49" / 114 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 7,99" / 203 mm 177,17 ft / 54,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 75% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 10,2" / 260 mm 7,99" / 203 mm - 2nd: 2,01" / 51 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,99" / 203 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 190 ihp / 4 618 Kw = 15,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 955 tons (100% coal) Complement: 443 - 577 Cost: £0,608 million / $2,432 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 320 tons, 3,7% - Guns: 319 tons, 3,7% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 2 051 tons, 24,0% - Belts: 1 138 tons, 13,3% - Armament: 583 tons, 6,8% - Armour Deck: 259 tons, 3,0% - Conning Tower: 72 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 1 517 tons, 17,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 719 tons, 43,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 897 tons, 10,5% Miscellaneous weights: 45 tons, 0,5% - On freeboard deck: 30 tons - Above deck: 15 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 235 lbs / 3 736 Kg = 13,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 30,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,40 Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 12,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,58 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,90 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,574 / 0,579 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,84 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,68 ft / 4,78 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91,4% Waterplane Area: 16 204 Square feet or 1 505 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 135% Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 775 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,99 - Longitudinal: 2,65 - Overall: 1,09 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: Схемы аи броненосцев Монарх-супер и Кэптен-супер. Кентену аи можно в перспективе добавить 12" 35т и м.б. для улучшения мореходности поднять корпус на одну палубу (или сделать "коффердамовую 1/2-1/3 палубу" по итало-французскому образцу. Монарх аи имеет узкий пояс по ВЛ и широкий верхний, как версия эволюции центральной батареи или бруствера. Проекты могут в перспективе слиться, а при ограничении дальности-мореходности-скорости и бронирования-вооружения - вполне допустим проект аи "супер-Церберуса": мониторно-брустверный броненосец с "классической" линейно-возвышенной схемой расположения артиллерии ГК.
von Echenbach: Возможное "противоядие" массированному применению миноносцев, "молодой школе" т.е. - быстроходные паровые катера с лёгкими котлами на керосине и облегченными паровыми машинами тройного действия, до 400-600 лс - 2 винта - 12-16 уз, 30-35 т, 2 шестовые мины в 50 кг и 2 - 4 метательные с БЧ до 75 кг. 21х4х1 м. Перевозятся по 4-6-8 на ТР или на больших кораблях (супер-Церберус) в базовых отрядах. Идея предложена аи- лт Патрик О'Форрестер в 1873.
von Echenbach: К аи-периоду 1 МВ: гидро-авиатранспорт/крейсер-тримаран. 3 ед. Боковые корпуса - по 1500 т, центральный - 3000-4000 т. 4 турбины (по 1 в боковых корпусах) - 28-30 уз. 4 6", 8 4", Рубка, пояс центрального корпуса и палуба - 18 мм. Палуба бортовых корпусов - 18 мм. 18 гидросамолетов и/или легких колесных. 3 катапульты (по одной в носу каждого корпуса), 4 лифта-крана, по два в носу-корме между корпусами, сплошная центральная полётная палуба, дымоходы выведены в стороны бортов. С кормы между корпусами предусмотрена возможность быстрого подъёма ГС. Крылья у самолётов складные. Вес - до 2 т, груз - до 600 кг, дальность - до 100 миль (2-3 часа полёта), скорость - до 120 км/ч. 1-2 пулемёта. Экипаж - 2.
von Echenbach: Для центральных корпусов (ЦК) применили проекты крейсеров-скаутов типа "С" и для боковых - проекты типа "Шекспир". На боковых корпусах (БК) размещались: 2 4" в корме, 3 (7 в ударном варианте) Аэропланов, кран-мачта в корме, два передвижных подъёмника - к центральному корпусу и к главной полётной палубе, носовая катапульта. Центральный корпус - 12 (18-21) летательный аппарат. Возможно добавление носовой катапульты. К 1936 г новая версия или модернизация - с заменой АУ на спаренные 102-мм (6-10х2) и добавление нескольких МЗА (2-4 "пом-пом"). Применение - в составе групп с Линейными крейсерами. ЦК: 1912/33, Displacement: 4 363 t light; 4 509 t standard; 4 974 t normal; 5 346 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (482,28 ft / 459,32 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 17,29 ft) (147,00 m / 140,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,27 m) Armament: 4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft 4 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward Weight of broadside 563 lbs / 255 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 110% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm - - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 46 276 shp / 34 522 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 837 tons Complement: 295 - 384 Cost: £1,741 million / $6,962 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 99 tons, 2,0% - Guns: 99 tons, 2,0% Armour: 288 tons, 5,8% - Belts: 172 tons, 3,5% - Armament: 5 tons, 0,1% - Armour Deck: 105 tons, 2,1% - Conning Tower: 6 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 348 tons, 27,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 877 tons, 37,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 611 tons, 12,3% Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 15,1% - Hull below water: 550 tons - Hull above water: 100 tons - On freeboard deck: 50 tons - Above deck: 50 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 233 lbs / 2 827 Kg = 58,2 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 13,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,20 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,43 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,503 / 0,513 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,45 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,70 ft / 6,01 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 186,3% Waterplane Area: 14 659 Square feet or 1 362 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125% Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 347 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,91 - Longitudinal: 2,73 - Overall: 1,02 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily БК: Displacement: 1 384 t light; 1 420 t standard; 1 539 t normal; 1 634 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (347,77 ft / 331,36 ft) x 26,25 ft x (13,12 / 13,69 ft) (106,00 m / 101,00 m) x 8,00 m x (4,00 / 4,17 m) Armament: 2 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring Weight of broadside 65 lbs / 30 kg Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm - - Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 1 shaft, 25 062 shp / 18 696 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 214 tons Complement: 122 - 159 Cost: £0,675 million / $2,699 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 13 tons, 0,8% - Guns: 13 tons, 0,8% Armour: 1 tons, 0,1% - Armament: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 651 tons, 42,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 394 tons, 25,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 155 tons, 10,1% Miscellaneous weights: 325 tons, 21,1% - Hull below water: 200 tons - Hull above water: 50 tons - On freeboard deck: 50 tons - Above deck: 25 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 521 lbs / 236 Kg = 16,1 x 4,0 " / 102 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 11,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,16 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,28 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,472 / 0,480 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,63 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,48 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Average freeboard: 13,52 ft / 4,12 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 156,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,2% Waterplane Area: 5 874 Square feet or 546 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85% Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 141 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,56 - Longitudinal: 2,33 - Overall: 0,64 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily В качестве прототипов послужили перестроенные крейсера-тримараны корабли типа "Бланш" (1 катапульта, 4 102, 6-12 ГС).
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