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von Echenbach: Конец 20-х... В моде ТКР и развивающаяся авиация. Гипотетическая угроза Нидерландам - Германия и Япония. От прочих - в союзе или есть возможность откупиться/продаться. Версия "союза" подразумевает наличие некоторых заметных вооруженных сил при приличной экономике, следовательно имеет смысл развивать авиацию, флот, и в меньшей степени - армию. Формально - для защиты Ост-Индии создаются Броненосцы береговой обороны - 4 ед. типа "Принц Генрих", с основной задачей противостояния крейсерам и придания устойчивости легким силам. - laid down 1928, Displacement: 10 800 t light; 11 455 t standard; 11 792 t normal; 12 061 t full load (до 14 000 т) [more]Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (475,95 ft / 456,04 ft) x 88,58 ft x (19,69 / 20,02 ft) (145,07 m / 139,00 m) x 27,00 m x (6,00 / 6,10 m) Armament: 9 - 11,02" / 280 mm 45,0 cal guns - 675,51lbs / 306,40kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 16 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 raised mounts 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts Weight of broadside 6 308 lbs / 2 861 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 8,27" / 210 mm 206,69 ft / 63,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 2,99" / 76 mm 213,25 ft / 65,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 70% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 8,27" / 210 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 8,27" / 210 mm 2nd: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,01" / 51 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm - Conning towers: Forward 6,69" / 170 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 27 118 shp / 20 230 Kw = 23,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 606 tons Complement: 565 - 735 Cost: £4,107 million / $16,429 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 409 tons, 11,9% - Guns: 1 409 tons, 11,9% Armour: 3 514 tons, 29,8% - Belts: 1 515 tons, 12,8% - Armament: 936 tons, 7,9% - Armour Deck: 975 tons, 8,3% - Conning Towers: 88 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 844 tons, 7,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 034 tons, 42,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 992 tons, 8,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 20 990 lbs / 9 521 Kg = 31,3 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 3,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32 Metacentric height 6,8 ft / 2,1 m Roll period: 14,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,36 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,519 / 0,522 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,15 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,82 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,83 ft / 5,44 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157,6% Waterplane Area: 28 495 Square feet or 2 647 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110% Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 777 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,91 - Longitudinal: 2,21 - Overall: 1,00 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room[/more] Проект легкого крейсера-авианосца прорабатывался совместно с шведским проектом. 3х2 150-мм в корме, пирамида, 6х2 76 универсальных установки, стабилизированные - как на ББО с подобными спаренными 37-мм "Бофорсами". В носу катапульта и в носовом ангаре до 6 гидросамолетов. Максимальная авиагруппа - 12 самолетов. 4 ед. типа " Тромп" - laid down 1932, Displacement: 5 335 t light; 5 548 t standard; 5 997 t normal; 6 356 t full load [more]Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (483,58 ft / 462,60 ft) x 52,49 ft x (18,04 / 18,81 ft) (147,40 m / 141,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,50 / 5,73 m) Armament: 6 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 160 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1932 Model 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward Weight of broadside 798 lbs / 362 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,524 t each, 6,097 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 87% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 2nd: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 2 shafts, 45 035 shp / 33 596 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 5 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 808 tons Complement: 339 - 442 Cost: £2,003 million / $8,013 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 227 tons, 3,8% - Guns: 215 tons, 3,6% - Weapons: 12 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 062 tons, 17,7% - Belts: 498 tons, 8,3% - Armament: 128 tons, 2,1% - Armour Deck: 420 tons, 7,0% - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 329 tons, 22,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 487 tons, 41,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 662 tons, 11,0% Miscellaneous weights: 230 tons, 3,8% - Hull below water: 150 tons - Hull above water: 50 tons - On freeboard deck: 30 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 9 034 lbs / 4 098 Kg = 87,7 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16 Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 14,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,479 / 0,487 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,81 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,86 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,05 ft / 5,81 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165,6% Waterplane Area: 16 503 Square feet or 1 533 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130% Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 466 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,03 - Longitudinal: 2,32 - Overall: 1,12 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room[/more] + 6 лгкр типа Тромп (3200 т, 32 уз, реал + 3х2 76) и 18-20 эм
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von Echenbach: Следующий этап развития аи-флота Голландии: ПЛ: 12 малых, 9 средних и 6 больших + 5 в постройке. Авианосцы: легкие: в корпусах крейсеров 6000 т, 28 уз, Б- 60, П - 36, 24 (12х2) 76 универсальных, 24-32 аи самолета (16 - Д-21м, 16-Д-23/СААБ J-13), 9 автожиров различных схем - 2 ед; тяжелые - переоборудованы из танкеров: 9000 т, 18-21 уз, до 48 самолетов, 4 ед. ЛгАВ типа "Принц Вильгельм Оранский" - laid down 1934, Displacement: 6 072 t light; 6 288 t standard; 6 667 t normal; 6 970 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (565,60 ft / 538,06 ft) x 55,77 ft x (16,40 / 16,93 ft) (172,40 m / 164,00 m) x 17,00 m x (5,00 / 5,16 m) Armament: 24 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 450 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 344 lbs / 156 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 393,70 ft / 120,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 113% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 2 shafts, 34 990 shp / 26 102 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 682 tons Complement: 368 - 479 Cost: £1,823 million / $7,291 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 74 tons, 1,1% - Guns: 74 tons, 1,1% Armour: 1 276 tons, 19,1% - Belts: 711 tons, 10,7% - Armament: 26 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 513 tons, 7,7% - Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 007 tons, 15,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 445 tons, 36,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 595 tons, 8,9% Miscellaneous weights: 1 270 tons, 19,0% - Hull below water: 870 tons - Hull above water: 250 tons - On freeboard deck: 100 tons - Above deck: 50 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 14 035 lbs / 6 366 Kg = 130,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24 Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 13,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,07 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,69 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,474 / 0,480 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,65 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,63 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,96 ft / 6,09 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 206,9% Waterplane Area: 20 304 Square feet or 1 886 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141% Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 376 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,51 - Overall: 1,00 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: Проект лёгкого супер-эсминца: 1600 т, 32 уз, 12 (6х2) 100-105-мм, 8 (4х2) 37, 2х4 ТА Крокодил - laid down 1934, Displacement: 1 624 t light; 1 716 t standard; 1 772 t normal; 1 817 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (377,51 ft / 364,17 ft) x 28,22 ft x (13,12 / 13,37 ft) (115,07 m / 111,00 m) x 8,60 m x (4,00 / 4,08 m) Armament: 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 raised mounts 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 750 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 383 lbs / 174 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,532 t each, 12,258 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 97,00 lbs / 44,00 kg Depth Charges + 9 reloads - 0,476 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,31" / 8 mm 0,16" / 4 mm - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29 554 shp / 22 047 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 101 tons Complement: 136 - 177 Cost: £0,932 million / $3,729 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 102 tons, 5,7% - Guns: 77 tons, 4,3% - Weapons: 25 tons, 1,4% Armour: 11 tons, 0,6% - Armament: 10 tons, 0,5% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 815 tons, 46,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 696 tons, 39,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 148 tons, 8,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 813 lbs / 369 Kg = 26,7 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07 Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 12,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,80 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,27 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,460 / 0,463 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,91 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,47 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 33,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 34,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,41 ft / 4,39 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111,8% Waterplane Area: 6 867 Square feet or 638 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94% Structure weight / hull surface area: 47 lbs/sq ft or 229 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,78 - Longitudinal: 3,26 - Overall: 0,90 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Для МН-ЭМ приходится вводить "промежуточный" 100-мм калибр (точнее - 105-мм). Возможно этот калибр (105-мм послужит как ГК и для АВ. Дилемма: 76 и-или 105? От 120-мм (127-138) голландцы-нидералдчане ютландско-фризского происхождения отказываются. Возможно напрасно.
von Echenbach: Голландская версия "парома" (3000 т, 16 уз, до 1500 т груза: 20 вагонов - 40 танков - 40-60 авто - 400 МЗ + в моб. варианте: 4х1 100-мм, 6-12 37-мм). laid down 1926, Displacement: 2 877 t light; 2 951 t standard; 3 006 t normal; 3 050 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (306,51 ft / 291,99 ft) x 39,37 ft (Bulges 52,49 ft) x (13,12 / 13,31 ft) (93,42 m / 89,00 m) x 12,00 m (Bulges 16,00 m) x (4,00 / 4,06 m) Armament: 4 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1926 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread Weight of broadside 132 lbs / 60 kg Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,00" / 0 mm, Aft 0,47" / 12 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 2 904 shp / 2 167 Kw = 14,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 99 tons Complement: 202 - 263 Cost: £0,416 million / $1,662 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 27 tons, 0,9% - Guns: 27 tons, 0,9% Armour: 9 tons, 0,3% - Armament: 7 tons, 0,2% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 93 tons, 3,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 148 tons, 38,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 129 tons, 4,3% Miscellaneous weights: 1 600 tons, 53,2% - Hull below water: 900 tons - Hull above water: 400 tons - On freeboard deck: 200 tons - Above deck: 100 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 968 lbs / 2 707 Kg = 55,3 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,41 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,03 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,523 / 0,523 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,56 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,48 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,63 ft / 4,46 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 60,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100,7% Waterplane Area: 8 140 Square feet or 756 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 162% Structure weight / hull surface area: 81 lbs/sq ft or 397 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,27 - Longitudinal: 3,36 - Overall: 1,40 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather И параллельно аи-танкостроение, в т.ч. на "экспорт" в виде лёгкой аи-конкуренции Виккерсу...
von Echenbach: аи-1932. аи-Голландия строит флот. Совместно со Швецией и на английский кредит - против Японии. План Z, проекты Z-1 Т-ЛнКР с 6 (3х2) 260. Голландцы не подписывали ВашДог, им можно ;-)), Z-2 ЛгКР-скаут в 4000 т 30 уз с 6 6", Z-3 ЭМ с 6 120-мм. ЗА - универсальные 76- и 40-мм Бофорсы. Пока не стабилизированные, но... Z-1 3 ед - laid down 1936, Displacement: 11 109 t light; 11 651 t standard; 12 094 t normal; 12 448 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (549,39 ft / 528,22 ft) x 72,18 ft x (19,69 / 20,13 ft) (167,45 m / 161,00 m) x 22,00 m x (6,00 / 6,14 m) Armament: 6 - 10,24" / 260 mm 45,0 cal guns - 540,85lbs / 245,32kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 16 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 0,00" / 0,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,00lbs / 0,00kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 3 461 lbs / 1 570 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 236,22 ft / 72,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 229,66 ft / 70,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 62,34 ft / 19,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 69% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 5,51" / 140 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 57 428 shp / 42 841 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 3 900nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 797 tons Complement: 576 - 749 Cost: £4,896 million / $19,584 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 784 tons, 6,5% - Guns: 784 tons, 6,5% Armour: 2 605 tons, 21,5% - Belts: 985 tons, 8,1% - Armament: 634 tons, 5,2% - Armour Deck: 923 tons, 7,6% - Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 611 tons, 13,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 108 tons, 50,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 985 tons, 8,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 21 849 lbs / 9 910 Kg = 40,7 x 10,2 " / 260 mm shells or 2,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16 Metacentric height 4,1 ft / 1,2 m Roll period: 15,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,568 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,32 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,92 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,52 ft / 6,26 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 180,9% Waterplane Area: 27 629 Square feet or 2 567 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137% Structure weight / hull surface area: 165 lbs/sq ft or 806 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,24 - Longitudinal: 2,34 - Overall: 1,32 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Z-2, 6 ед - laid down 1933, Displacement: 3 982 t light; 4 145 t standard; 4 320 t normal; 4 459 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (472,17 ft / 456,04 ft) x 45,93 ft x (13,12 / 13,45 ft) (143,92 m / 139,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,00 / 4,10 m) Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 180 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts 8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 2,17lbs / 0,98kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 828 lbs / 375 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,528 t each, 9,170 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 314,96 ft / 96,00 m 8,53 ft / 2,60 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 72,18 ft / 22,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 68,90 ft / 21,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 106% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 41 155 shp / 30 701 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 314 tons Complement: 266 - 346 Cost: £1,788 million / $7,152 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 244 tons, 5,7% - Guns: 226 tons, 5,2% - Weapons: 18 tons, 0,4% Armour: 764 tons, 17,7% - Belts: 290 tons, 6,7% - Armament: 145 tons, 3,4% - Armour Deck: 315 tons, 7,3% - Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 199 tons, 27,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 775 tons, 41,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 337 tons, 7,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 317 lbs / 2 412 Kg = 49,6 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 14,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,554 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,93 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,85 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 24,93 ft / 7,60 m, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m, 18,37 ft / 5,60 m - Aft deck: 27,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,90 ft / 5,15 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 169,0% Waterplane Area: 14 979 Square feet or 1 392 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113% Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 390 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,64 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Z-3 12 ед - (начальный проект). laid down 1935, Displacement: 1 845 t light; 1 930 t standard; 2 005 t normal; 2 064 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (379,55 ft / 364,17 ft) x 36,09 ft x (11,81 / 12,05 ft) (115,69 m / 111,00 m) x 11,00 m x (3,60 / 3,67 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 408 lbs / 185 kg Main Torpedoes 9 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,536 t each, 13,826 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 83,78 lbs / 38,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,748 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 107% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 34 622 shp / 25 828 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 134 tons Complement: 149 - 194 Cost: £1,082 million / $4,327 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 103 tons, 5,2% - Guns: 75 tons, 3,7% - Weapons: 29 tons, 1,4% Armour: 106 tons, 5,3% - Belts: 32 tons, 1,6% - Armament: 9 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 64 tons, 3,2% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 915 tons, 45,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 721 tons, 36,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 160 tons, 8,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 066 lbs / 483 Kg = 20,2 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 41 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,22 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,67 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,452 / 0,456 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,09 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,54 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 41,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,42 ft / 4,09 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 158,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97,0% Waterplane Area: 8 593 Square feet or 798 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89% Structure weight / hull surface area: 53 lbs/sq ft or 258 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,83 - Longitudinal: 1,76 - Overall: 0,89 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability
Инженер Сидоров: Для первого проекта поменять ГК с 260-мм (уж очень нестандартный калибр) на 280-мм не тянет?
von Echenbach: Инженер Сидоров пишет: поменять ГК с 260-мм (уж очень нестандартный калибр) на 280-мм не тянет? Они пробовали - подобие Шарнхорста получилось. И дорого. 260-мм - против любых КР и даже Хиеев - предполагаю, будут полезны. Особенно при аи-автоматике/полуавтоматике заряжания и скорострельности до 6 в/мин. Да и м.б. "+": поменяют стабилизационные системы (Хаземаер) на радар (англ. или франкский)
von Echenbach: "быстроходный транспорт снабжения" / авиакрейсер: 18 + 6 самолётов, 1-2 катапульты. типы возможные: Суордфиши, Буффало, Вальрусы - или кто-либо из немцев, а м.б. и голландские (?). "Севен провинсиен" - 2-3 ед, laid down 1937, Displacement: 5 036 t light; 5 291 t standard; 5 550 t normal; 5 758 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (550,15 ft / 531,50 ft) x 45,93 ft x (14,76 / 15,18 ft) (167,69 m / 162,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,50 / 4,63 m) Armament: 16 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 450 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward 8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 2,11lbs / 0,96kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 587 lbs / 266 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 0,79" / 20 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 95% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,35" / 9 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 44 281 shp / 33 034 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 3 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 467 tons Complement: 320 - 417 Cost: £2,056 million / $8,223 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 114 tons, 2,0% - Guns: 114 tons, 2,0% Armour: 794 tons, 14,3% - Belts: 299 tons, 5,4% - Armament: 16 tons, 0,3% - Armour Deck: 468 tons, 8,4% - Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 227 tons, 22,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 131 tons, 38,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 514 tons, 9,3% Miscellaneous weights: 770 tons, 13,9% - Hull below water: 580 tons - Hull above water: 90 tons - On freeboard deck: 60 tons - Above deck: 40 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 725 lbs / 3 958 Kg = 247,0 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 13,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,25 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,69 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,539 / 0,544 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,57 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,53 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,71 ft / 6,01 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 202,4% Waterplane Area: 17 276 Square feet or 1 605 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129% Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 342 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,93 - Longitudinal: 1,86 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Боевая группа: 1 т-лглн кр, 1 ав-кр, 1 лгкр, 4 эм. - всего 3 группы В состав флота входят: мн, тщ, пл, кл, бркл, брбо, тр, катера... БрБО и кл - какие м.б. проекты?
Инженер Сидоров: von Echenbach пишет: ни пробовали - подобие Шарнхорста получилось. И дорого. 260-мм - против любых КР и даже Хиеев - предполагаю, будут полезны. А не проще будет взять "Бофорсовские" 10"/45 обр.1929? Такие же, какие на "Вайнямейнене" стояли. Вроде не самые плохие стволы были, к тому же не придётся изобретать что-то новое, да и с боеприпасами проблемы не будет - покупай хоть шведские, хоть финские, хоть российские (орудие как раз под совместимость с нашими 225-кг снарядами проектировалось).
von Echenbach: Инженер Сидоров пишет: 10"/45 обр.1929? Такие же, какие на "Вайнямейнене" При их промышленности, и - взаимодействии с германцами и шведами, произвести немного увеличенный калибр и боезапас - никаких проблем. А вот устройство стабилизированных 40-мм бофорсов и ЦПУАС интересно. И радар бы в аи-голландцам, м.б. даже с подачи франков, с "Нормандии".
von Echenbach: Голландские авианосные эсминцы - могли бы аи-развиться? 2000-2500 т, 28-32 уз, 4-6 105-мм, 4-8 40-мм, 2х2 та по бортам, катапульта, 9-12 ГС-торпедоносцев ближнего действия (до 5 т, 2х650 лс - 280-360 м\ч -2-3 часа, полутора-бипланная схема, верхнее крыло по типу "чайки", складываются назад, 2 чел, 4-6 12,7,до 800-1400 кг груза, баки в поплавках).
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