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von Echenbach: Навеяло дискуссиями у naval-manual (realswat, много слов) - 1, и темы цусимки о Фусо и пр. (очень много слов) - 2. По Реалсвату: атака на Перл-Харбор являлась фактически стратегической ошибкой руководства Японии и флота, поскольку вынудила американцев отказаться от "традиционной" линейной стратегии - выход линейных сил к Филиппинам с утратой для Японии перспективой проведения генерального сражения соответственно ранее планировавшимся тактическим взглядам и невозможностью "блиц-кампании" по "замирению САСШ". Из 2 - исключая "переделки аи кораблей" предлагалась тактика линейно-авиационных групп с преобладанием задач ПВО авианосцев для линкоров. Какими могли быть действия яп. флота при активном применении линкоров? Возможные планы-строительство новых типов кораблей? Проведение моделирования в условиях: а) Перл-Харборской операции и-или б) без с учётом "новых японских взглядов".

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von Echenbach: Небольшое фи-фантастическое дополнение, для активации позитивного-протестного мышления :-)) Варианты модернизации" 4-х Фусо: 1. КМО для увеличения скорости, 2. Замена КО и ГК на 12-10 410-мм, 3. Замена 12 356 на 8 (4х2) 460-мм, по одной башне в оконечностях и две в середине корпуса. У всех убирается СК и усиливается ЗА. Идеологи переделок и пересмотра стратегии и тактики (операционная сеть) аналитики-эксперты МГШ Японии и делегация Кригсмарине в 1934 г. P.S.: были варианты с 6х1 460 - суперФурутака и 3х3 410.

von Echenbach: Начало версии аи можно назначить и на середину 20-х. Наиболее предпочтительным представляется вариант с обновлением КО и увеличением скорости до 24-25 уз. ЗА из 12-16х2 120 (аи 115), 8-12х2 50-60 мм и 12-16х2 25 мм. Объявляется с целью дезинформации в 1936 году о перевооружении старых ЛК на 410-мм орудия и в 37-38 гг. сообщается о приведении всех ЛК к общему виду с 8 (4х2) 460-мм, усиленным бортовым бронированием и скоростью до 20-22 уз, в т.ч. и с 3 (+3) новыми (аи-Ямато, 12/ 4х3/ 460-мм) кораблями. Развивается строительство крейсеров ПВО и авианосцев, подкласс гидроавиаТР-КР и ТР-АвиаТР снабжения с 20 самолетами и 1-2 катапультой.

von Echenbach: Немного о возможной, и как всегда - дискутабельно-фантастической, методике модернизаций: а если - 1. не замена всего барбета, при необходимости расширения-увеличения диаметра барбета, а установка "воронкообразного" расширения в верхней части, наподобие французских ранних башен на БР и КР. Все новые поворотно-опорные механизмы вполне могут поместиться. Гипотетический пример-задача: замена французских 340-мм на 380-мм или японских 356 на 410, итальянские 320 на 380. Ещё редкий вариант для англичан: замена на Куинах 381 на 406, и что-то близкое у американцев. Кстати, ещё - модернизация бразильских ЛК... как темы приложения аи-энергии мысленного процесса. 2. При переносе переборок и перепланировках часто высказывается опасение по поводу изменения локальной прочности корпуса. Несомненно, изучение перепланировочно-перестроечного процесса требует привлечения инженеров-специалистов, но за неимением в быстрой доступности и отсутствия ярко выраженной необходимости для аи, исключая особо фанатичных историков техники и приверженцев техно-аи, возможно будет достаточно предположений на грани "историзма". :-) Переборки не столько переносятся, в этом случае - дополнительные продольные и поперечные связи, сколько перепроектируются под новые условия в новых геометрических пространствах. Однако теория аи-... :-))


von Echenbach: Немного другой вариант развития: японцы "модернизируют" 4 ЛК типа "Фусо" до уровня "нагато" (24-25 уз, палуба до 120-140, 4х2 410), получают 6 ЛК и 3 ЛнКР. С "возрождённым" "Хиэй" - 4. Тень программы "6+6" -> надо ешё 2-3 ЛнКр. ТТХ этих "новых" ЛнКР? Из схем и идеологии Ямато или ТКР? В генеральном плане развития по 2 Ямато и 2 супер линейных крейсера. Идея "ударного авианосного соединения (если финансы позволят - 2) или дробление имеющихся РИ, но для ПВО и разведки - вводят класс "средних авианосцев прикрытия". Какими могли быть? И собственно замена ЛгКР на новые ЛгКР с выраженной функцией ПВО. Старые КР "официально переводят" в учебные. Проблема новых приборов обнаружения и ПВО. Допущение NN: японские шпионы обрабатывают голландцев (заказ 2-3 СКР ПВО) - Хаземаер система и итальянцев (система 90-мм стабилизированная на "Рома") и у англов - некоторые разработки асдика и радаров.

von Echenbach: Как обычно - появились вопросы, скорее тактического характера: 1. возможность организации действий ПЛ против коммуникаций американцев в ТО : у Зап. побережья - по аналогии действий немецких ПЛ в Карибах-Атлантике. 2. Набег соед. Нагумо на Канал и м.б. на Л-Анжелес *порт-заводы-верфи) с попутным отловом ТР. Каталины и дальние береговые авиапатрули учитываются. 3. Тактика применения гидросамолетов (скорее всего новых, аи-ГС в ударными функциями) в ночных-утренних ударах и ночное беспокоящее воздействие. 4. Гибрид КР ПВО и ЛгАВ ПВО в одном корпусе - ?

von Echenbach: Корабли обеспечения и прикрытия линейных отрядов-эскадр: 1. крейсера разведчики - противоминоносные-ближние разведчики-лидеры ЭМ (4-5 000 т, 2-3х2-3 152 мм, 2х4 ТА, 32 уз); 2. авиатранспорты ПВО - 18-24 самолета, в т.ч. 12-18 истр. 8-12х2 100 мм, 28 уз, пояс и палуба 30, 3. эскадренный танкер ПВО (транспорт снабжения.. 2 и 3 до переоборудования-мобилизации (устаноска бортовой брони, полетной палубы и пр. вооружения и дополнительных(штатных) машин-котлов в корпуса используются в торговом мореходстве. аи Мацусима-тнкр, аи Япония аи эск танкер ПВО laid down 1930 Displacement: 9 175 t light; 9 615 t standard; 10 982 t normal; 12 076 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (552,64 ft / 538,06 ft) x 62,34 ft x (22,97 / 24,61 ft) (168,44 m / 164,00 m) x 19,00 m x (7,00 / 7,50 m) Armament: 24 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 3 raised mounts 24 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 119 lbs / 508 kg Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 132,28 lbs / 60,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,591 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 65,62 ft / 20,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 98% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,75" / 19 mm 0,35" / 9 mm 0,47" / 12 mm 3rd: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,35" / 9 mm 0,47" / 12 mm 4th: 0,35" / 9 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 1,02" / 26 mm Quarter deck: 1,02" / 26 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,71" / 18 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 47 864 shp / 35 706 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 8 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 461 tons Complement: 536 - 697 Cost: £2,421 million / $9,684 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 217 tons, 2,0% - Guns: 216 tons, 2,0% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 849 tons, 7,7% - Belts: 242 tons, 2,2% - Armament: 76 tons, 0,7% - Armour Deck: 499 tons, 4,5% - Conning Towers: 33 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 450 tons, 13,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 058 tons, 18,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 808 tons, 16,5% Miscellaneous weights: 4 600 tons, 41,9% - Hull below water: 4 400 tons - Hull above water: 100 tons - On freeboard deck: 60 tons - Above deck: 40 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11 126 lbs / 5 047 Kg = 103,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,76 Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m Roll period: 10,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 88 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,76 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,499 / 0,512 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,63 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,79 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 21,77 ft / 6,64 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162,4% Waterplane Area: 23 218 Square feet or 2 157 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124% Structure weight / hull surface area: 58 lbs/sq ft or 283 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,61 - Longitudinal: 1,21 - Overall: 0,66 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Возможная организация Эскадра-отряд: 1 ЛК, 1 ЛнКР, 2 авиаТР ПАО, 2-3 танкера ПВО, 2-3 Кр-ПВО, 2 ТКР, 2-3 ЛгКР (один из которых - флагманский), 12 ЭМ, 2 быстроходных ТР, (и м.б. 4-8 ПЛ по маршруту приданы) - 4-6 отрядов (ударные тактич. группы), Морская авиация: базовая, развед-корабельная (в т.ч. возможно и развивать ударную гидроавиацию), учебная и авианосная. 2-3 отряда. схемы-идеи "Кидо бутай" по 2-3 ТАВ, 1-2 лг.АВ, 1 "АвиаТР" ПВО", 2 танкера ПВО. Подводные и десантные силы, группы снабжения, ремонта и ПЛО-ПВО баз.

von Echenbach: Не о линкорах. О минах заграждения: аи-японцы создают МЗ с возможностью установки до 800 м - м.б. синтетические легкие материалы для тросов и т.п. Ведут манную войну. Например, навскидку - у о. Саво и Гуадалканела. Или ранее... у Папуа и у Филиппин-Индонезии.

von Echenbach: Путь альт-ЛК : Что-то от Нельсона альтЛК АвтркраторЪ Ольга (по Нмколаеву). 1. альт супер-Мутсу, альт Япон альт-ЛК laid down 1931 (требуется доработка + були. :-)) Displacement: 29 380 t light; 32 055 t standard; 34 985 t normal; 37 329 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (649,61 ft / 620,08 ft) x 104,99 ft x (29,53 / 31,12 ft) (198,00 m / 189,00 m) x 32,00 m x (9,00 / 9,49 m) Armament: 12 - 16,14" / 410 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 120,84lbs / 962,00kg shells, 130 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1931 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 32 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 18 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 16 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 26 442 lbs / 11 994 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,50" / 38 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m 45,93 ft / 14,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 94% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Hull void: 0,28" / 7 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 12,6" / 320 mm 2nd: 1,10" / 28 mm 0,63" / 16 mm 0,31" / 8 mm 3rd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm Forecastle: 2,36" / 60 mm Quarter deck: 3,15" / 80 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 101 081 shp / 75 406 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 8 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 5 274 tons Complement: 1 278 - 1 662 Cost: £16,896 million / $67,582 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 5 172 tons, 14,8% - Guns: 5 172 tons, 14,8% Armour: 11 415 tons, 32,6% - Belts: 3 368 tons, 9,6% - Void: 48 tons, 0,1% - Armament: 3 583 tons, 10,2% - Armour Deck: 4 215 tons, 12,0% - Conning Towers: 200 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 3 023 tons, 8,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 9 770 tons, 27,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5 605 tons, 16,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 31 422 lbs / 14 253 Kg = 14,9 x 16,1 " / 410 mm shells or 3,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21 Metacentric height 7,6 ft / 2,3 m Roll period: 16,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,83 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,637 / 0,645 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,91 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 29,26 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Average freeboard: 24,92 ft / 7,60 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,9% Waterplane Area: 51 398 Square feet or 4 775 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 86% Structure weight / hull surface area: 174 lbs/sq ft or 852 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 1,76 - Overall: 0,76 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room 2 Далее: альт-Ямато: 5х2 (4х3) 510-мм. Пирамида в носу. 1-2 башни в корме.

von Echenbach: А был ли Одзава "прав" ? 1943-44 гг кампаний, При Лейте (Энганьо). Удача и отвлечение - но вовремя-ли...

von Echenbach: По японской стратегии - надо было бы им организовать свой "индийский! поход. В аи уже давно предлагалось нечто подобное. Успели бы или нет - ? Вот по тактике применения можно японский флот по-альтернативить... Начиная с проектов кораблей. Истребитель легкий: ПБ-разведчик (ближний) - на дальности 100-150 миль. Истребитель - ЛгБ: Бомб-Торл-Рразв (пло, передовой дозор, корректировка, дальняя разведка, возможно - как ПБ) до 150-200 миль. Акцент на гидро-типе самолетов, причём поплавковые больше зависят от волнения, лодки - немного менее, что является важным для базовой гидроавиации. Т.е. несколько проектов. Возможен переход и к палубной-сухопутной базовой авиации: легкие, ближнего действия, среднего и дальнего - до 300 миль. Возможно, идеально подходят авиа-ТР или авиагидрокрейсеры (Ниссин, Чиода) с некоторыми "усовершенствованиями" в качестве ударных. ПВО и разведку, совсещая с ударными функциями на малых дистанциях авиационного боя - до 100-150 миль, можно возложить на аналоги Тоне (ав-кр). ГК в ТТХ не указывать - сохраняя наименования для общественности Вашингтонских соглашений как авиатранспорты. Ямато строить с "утечкой данных по бронированию и калибру", в проекте альт.-Ямато сохранить калибр, увеличить скорость и усилив ПТЗ с уменьшением бронирования, вертикального. (Прим. - в проекте). Крейсера арт. ПВО и КР-ав.ТР (гидро). Теория+ практика быстро-возводимых полевых аэродромов и гидроавиастанций. Десантные корабли и десантная тактика. Эскортные силы. (Прим. - как англ. союзник в 1 мв, японцы могли получить доступ к работам над сонаром-асдиком). Тактика, в т.ч. и в операциях подготовки десантной операции: линейные силы (2 ЛК, 1 лг.АВ, 1 лг.АВКР, 2 Лг.КР и 12 ЭМ*, 2-4 ТР) в прикрытии, авианосцы (1 дивизия - 2 Т.АВ, 2 ЛгКР ПВО, 6 ЭМ*) вместе с дивизией Гидро-АВ (4 гидроАВ, 2 ЛгКР пво, 6 ЭМ*) и передовым авиаотрядом (Легкая дивизия гидроАВ-КР (2 АВ-КР, 2 ЛгКР ПВО и 6 ЭМ*) поддерживает либо ударные соединения или десантно-транмпортные отряды. Ударные соединения: ЛнКР - 2, ТКР - 6, Кр ПВО - 3, КР ЛГ - 3 и 12-18 ЭМ - ТЭМ. * - эм с усилением функции ПЛО и ПВО. ТЭМ - усиление торпедного вооружения при лидерстве ЛгКР***. Действия ПЛ желательно направлять не только в районы предполагаемых сражений, но и для воздействия на коммуникации неприятеля. Взаимодействие с армией - прорабатывается. Как и управляемое бомбо-ракетно-торпедное оружие. (Как вам насчет аналога торпеды "протоШквал" - 610 мм, 70 уз на 20 каб, 50 уз - 50 каб и 30 уз на 90 каб.) :-) *** - м.б. гибрид Агано: 2х3 152 в носу, 8 (4х2) 76 (аи 80), 12 25 (аи 40) ), 4х3 ТА, 6-9 гидро ЛГ тип.

von Echenbach: аи Ямато, laid down 1936 Displacement: 39 172 t light; 41 882 t standard; 44 125 t normal; 45 920 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (756,64 ft / 728,35 ft) x 118,11 ft x (29,53 / 30,48 ft) (230,62 m / 222,00 m) x 36,00 m x (9,00 / 9,29 m) Armament: 9 - 18,11" / 460 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 995,22lbs / 1 358,61kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 24 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 raised mounts 24 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 450 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 raised mounts Weight of broadside 28 246 lbs / 12 812 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 3,15" / 80 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Main Belt covers 80% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 14,2" / 360 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,35" / 9 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 3rd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 7,09" / 180 mm Forecastle: 3,54" / 90 mm Quarter deck: 4,72" / 120 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 125 762 shp / 93 818 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 5 500nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 4 038 tons Complement: 1 521 - 1 978 Cost: £23,405 million / $93,622 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 5 247 tons, 11,9% - Guns: 5 247 tons, 11,9% Armour: 17 927 tons, 40,6% - Belts: 5 141 tons, 11,7% - Armament: 4 438 tons, 10,1% - Armour Deck: 8 136 tons, 18,4% - Conning Tower: 212 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 3 529 tons, 8,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 12 469 tons, 28,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 953 tons, 11,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 42 331 lbs / 19 201 Kg = 14,3 x 18,1 " / 460 mm shells or 4,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17 Metacentric height 8,6 ft / 2,6 m Roll period: 16,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,80 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,11 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,608 / 0,613 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,17 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 31,68 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 42,65 ft / 13,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Average freeboard: 28,37 ft / 8,65 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 217,2% Waterplane Area: 66 076 Square feet or 6 139 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89% Structure weight / hull surface area: 167 lbs/sq ft or 816 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,62 - Longitudinal: 1,26 - Overall: 0,66 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Второй вариант, добавлены були и немного сужен корпус. Displacement: 39 303 t light; 42 017 t standard; 44 279 t normal; 46 088 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (756,64 ft / 728,35 ft) x 104,99 ft (Bulges 124,67 ft) x (29,53 / 30,64 ft) (230,62 m / 222,00 m) x 32,00 m (Bulges 38,00 m) x (9,00 / 9,34 m) Armament: 9 - 18,11" / 460 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 995,22lbs / 1 358,61kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 24 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 raised mounts 24 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 450 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 raised mounts Weight of broadside 28 246 lbs / 12 812 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 3,15" / 80 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Main Belt covers 80% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 14,2" / 360 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,35" / 9 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 3rd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 7,09" / 180 mm Forecastle: 3,54" / 90 mm Quarter deck: 4,72" / 120 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 124 595 shp / 92 948 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 5 500nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 4 072 tons Complement: 1 526 - 1 984 Cost: £23,406 million / $93,622 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 5 247 tons, 11,8% - Guns: 5 247 tons, 11,8% Armour: 15 495 tons, 35,0% - Belts: 4 284 tons, 9,7% - Armament: 3 968 tons, 9,0% - Armour Deck: 7 031 tons, 15,9% - Conning Tower: 212 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 3 496 tons, 7,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 15 066 tons, 34,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 975 tons, 11,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 48 358 lbs / 21 935 Kg = 16,3 x 18,1 " / 460 mm shells or 4,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24 Metacentric height 8,0 ft / 2,4 m Roll period: 18,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,57 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,578 / 0,580 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,84 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 31,96 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 42,65 ft / 13,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 38,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 24,77 ft / 7,55 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,4% Waterplane Area: 57 072 Square feet or 5 302 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94% Structure weight / hull surface area: 212 lbs/sq ft or 1 035 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,78 - Longitudinal: 1,47 - Overall: 0,83 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Добавлен третий, окончательный вариант аи-Ямато: Displacement: 33 997 t light; 36 354 t standard; 38 426 t normal; 40 084 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (718,94 ft / 695,54 ft) x 104,99 ft (Bulges 131,23 ft) x (29,53 / 30,68 ft) (219,13 m / 212,00 m) x 32,00 m (Bulges 40,00 m) x (9,00 / 9,35 m) Armament: 9 - 16,14" / 410 mm 50,0 cal guns - 2 226,22lbs / 1 009,80kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1937 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 24 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 8 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 raised mounts - superfiring 4 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward 24 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 21 324 lbs / 9 672 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m 39,37 ft / 12,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 80% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces Main Belt inclined 23,00 degrees (positive = in) - Hull Bulges: 0,35" / 9 mm 485,56 ft / 148,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 14,2" / 360 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 7,09" / 180 mm Forecastle: 3,54" / 90 mm Quarter deck: 4,72" / 120 mm - Conning towers: Forward 9,45" / 240 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 126 506 shp / 94 373 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 5 500nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 3 731 tons Complement: 1 371 - 1 783 Cost: £20,824 million / $83,295 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 4 586 tons, 11,9% - Guns: 4 586 tons, 11,9% Armour: 14 531 tons, 37,8% - Belts: 4 332 tons, 11,3% - Bulges: 146 tons, 0,4% - Armament: 3 589 tons, 9,3% - Armour Deck: 6 232 tons, 16,2% - Conning Tower: 232 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 3 506 tons, 9,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 374 tons, 29,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 429 tons, 11,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 38 557 lbs / 17 489 Kg = 18,3 x 16,1 " / 410 mm shells or 4,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32 Metacentric height 8,8 ft / 2,7 m Roll period: 18,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,499 / 0,501 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,30 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 31,89 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 45,93 ft / 14,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Average freeboard: 27,53 ft / 8,39 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 181,6% Waterplane Area: 50 548 Square feet or 4 696 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92% Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 867 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,66 - Longitudinal: 1,43 - Overall: 0,72 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room, и эта версия позволяет не отказываться от договорных ограничений. ТТЭ официально: 36000т, 3х3 460, 24 уз. , Б -400, п -200.

von Echenbach: Отказ от ЭМ и КР ПВО. Проектируем Мн :900 (официально 600т) т, 32-30 уз, 6 (4 -офиц., 3х2) 100. Однако надо обдумать возможность введения единогогосударственного эксплуатационного калибра (ЕГЭК, :-) например 110-120мм. + 3х3 553 ТА, 6 25-40. Вместо КР ПВО - ранее разработанные проекты быстроходных ТР снабжения-ПВО.

Dampir: von Echenbach пишет: аи Ямато, laid down 1936 что-то у него с ПМЗ не того всего 4.4 торпеды

von Echenbach: Dampir пишет: что-то у него с ПМЗ не того всего 4.4 торпеды Так он по факту, почти в два раза меньше реального. Концепция опорного корабля крейсерской эскадры, аналог ЛнКР. Да и, как-то по шарпию, у меня с птз и прочностью, увы - недоработки. 3 по цене 1: нет разработки 460-мм, нет разработки толстой брони. Практически - улучшенный Нагато. По официальным ТТХ: 38000 т. 27 уз, 9 406, 16 127, борт - 305, палуба - 120. "Просочившиеся сведения", через германцев - 54000т, 26 уз, 9 460, 16 127, борт - 400, Палуба - 160. альт Ямато-3, аи Япония аи ЛК-ЛнКР laid down 1936 Displacement: 31 396 t light; 33 889 t standard; 36 056 t normal; 37 789 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (691,02 ft / 662,73 ft) x 98,43 ft (Bulges 118,11 ft) x (29,53 / 30,81 ft) (210,62 m / 202,00 m) x 30,00 m (Bulges 36,00 m) x (9,00 / 9,39 m) Armament: 9 - 16,14" / 410 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2 120,84lbs / 962,00kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 24 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 4 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 raised mounts - superfiring 24 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in open barbette mounts, 1936 Model 12 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 20 375 lbs / 9 242 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 13,4" / 340 mm 331,36 ft / 101,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 3,54" / 90 mm 341,21 ft / 104,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Main Belt covers 77% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Hull Bulges: 0,28" / 7 mm 426,51 ft / 130,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 13,4" / 340 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 14,2" / 360 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - 0,35" / 9 mm - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 5,51" / 140 mm Forecastle: 3,15" / 80 mm Quarter deck: 3,15" / 80 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 110 722 shp / 82 599 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 3 900 tons Complement: 1 307 - 1 700 Cost: £17,797 million / $71,188 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 961 tons, 11,0% - Guns: 3 961 tons, 11,0% Armour: 12 779 tons, 35,4% - Belts: 4 242 tons, 11,8% - Bulges: 86 tons, 0,2% - Armament: 3 787 tons, 10,5% - Armour Deck: 4 497 tons, 12,5% - Conning Tower: 167 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 3 107 tons, 8,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 11 550 tons, 32,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 660 tons, 12,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 41 948 lbs / 19 027 Kg = 19,9 x 16,1 " / 410 mm shells or 4,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21 Metacentric height 6,9 ft / 2,1 m Roll period: 18,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,67 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,19 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,546 / 0,548 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,61 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 30,73 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 42,65 ft / 13,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m - Forward deck: 36,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m - Aft deck: 31,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Average freeboard: 29,98 ft / 9,14 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 199,6% Waterplane Area: 47 212 Square feet or 4 386 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 894 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,70 - Longitudinal: 1,94 - Overall: 0,77 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: альт Рюдзе, аи Япония аи ЛгКР-АВТР laid down 1937 Displacement: 10 221 t light; 10 625 t standard; 11 657 t normal; 12 483 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (533,36 ft / 511,81 ft) x 45,93 ft (Bulges 65,62 ft) x (22,97 / 24,69 ft) (162,57 m / 156,00 m) x 14,00 m (Bulges 20,00 m) x (7,00 / 7,53 m) Armament: 24 - 4,72" / 120 mm 42,0 cal guns - 51,13lbs / 23,19kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 16 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model 16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 235 lbs / 560 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 278,87 ft / 85,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 84% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - 3rd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 87 494 shp / 65 271 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 857 tons Complement: 560 - 729 Cost: £4,106 million / $16,422 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 180 tons, 1,5% - Guns: 180 tons, 1,5% Armour: 1 090 tons, 9,3% - Belts: 543 tons, 4,7% - Armament: 39 tons, 0,3% - Armour Deck: 469 tons, 4,0% - Conning Tower: 39 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 2 425 tons, 20,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 377 tons, 46,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 436 tons, 12,3% Miscellaneous weights: 1 150 tons, 9,9% - Hull below water: 900 tons - Hull above water: 150 tons - On freeboard deck: 50 tons - Above deck: 50 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 14 902 lbs / 6 759 Kg = 138,0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,40 Metacentric height 2,8 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 16,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,529 / 0,527 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,80 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,25 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,70 ft / 6,01 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112,1% Waterplane Area: 16 741 Square feet or 1 555 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 153% Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 746 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,54 - Longitudinal: 3,57 - Overall: 1,67 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Корабли этого типа предназначены для ПВО (ЗА и палубные легкие истребители. Дальняя авиаразведка и ПЛО-дозор) и воздушной ПЛО эскадры. Также применяются как скоростные танкеры (корабли снабжения). и проект "стандартного" миноносца: для восполнения потерь, ПЛО-ПВО соединения и, м.б., замещение ЭМ в ударных торпедных флотилиях-эскадрах. альт Цубаме, аи Япония аи стандартный МН laid down 1934 "тип 13" Displacement: 989 t light; 1 047 t standard; 1 133 t normal; 1 201 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (285,04 ft / 269,03 ft) x 22,97 ft x (13,12 / 13,69 ft) (86,88 m / 82,00 m) x 7,00 m x (4,00 / 4,17 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 42,0 cal guns - 51,13lbs / 23,19kg shells, 210 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 6 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 310 lbs / 140 kg Main Torpedoes 12 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,532 t each, 18,387 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 132,28 lbs / 60,00 kg Depth Charges + 28 reloads - 1,772 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 26 820 shp / 20 008 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 154 tons Complement: 96 - 126 Cost: £0,623 million / $2,492 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 80 tons, 7,0% - Guns: 55 tons, 4,8% - Weapons: 25 tons, 2,2% Armour: 40 tons, 3,6% - Armament: 7 tons, 0,6% - Armour Deck: 32 tons, 2,8% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 559 tons, 49,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 309 tons, 27,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 144 tons, 12,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 316 lbs / 143 Kg = 2,9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,94 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,489 / 0,497 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,52 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 29,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 15,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 44,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,10 ft / 4,30 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99,8% Waterplane Area: 4 238 Square feet or 394 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66% Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,51 - Longitudinal: 5,50 - Overall: 0,64 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room АИ калибр 120/42. Осталось добавить АВ, ЭМ, ЛгКР, ТКР, ПЛ и пр.

von Echenbach: По ТКР остается выбор по типажам: 1. носитель гидросамолетов для эскадренной разведки - аиТоне (3), 2. легкий ТКР - что-то нечто Фурутака (3-6), 3. "Линейные" ("стандартные") ТКР (6-9). Версия структуры ВМФ: Эскадра (боевая группа, боевой отряд) : 1 ЛнКР (ЛК), 1 ЛгТКР, 1 ав-ТКР, 3 ТКР, 1 Танкер-КрПВО-АВ, 4 ЛгКР (?), 12 ЭМ, 12 МН. - 5 отрядов. + отряд обеспечения: 2-4 быстроходных ТР, 2-6 ТР, 6-12 ПЛ, 1-2 ГидроАвТР, 6 эскортных кораблей, 6 ТЩ. Группа базовой авиации (флотилия - ?) + 4 легких боевых группы ( ЛнКР, 3 ЛгКР, 1 КрПВО, 6-9 ЭМ (МН). + 2 дивизии АВ: 1 ЛК, 2 ТАВ, 2 ЛГ АВ, 2 Танкера-АВ-ПВО, 2 ЛгКР, 8-12 МН, объединенных в ударный флот. Отряд усиления: 2 ЛК, 2 лгКР, 4-6 ТР, 6-12 эскортных кораблей, 6-12 МН. Подводный флот, Резервная эскадра, Учебная эскадра, Эскортная эскадра, Прибрежные районные силы. Авиация флота, базовая авиация. Учебные центры. Верфи. Научные центры. Медицинская служба. МГШ. При возможном попаданстве в Принца Хироясу из линии Фусими или Ямамото - возможно развитие "мягкой" АИ.

Dampir: von Echenbach пишет: При возможном попаданстве в Принца Хироясу из линии Фусими или Ямамото - возможно развитие "мягкой" АИ. Победа Восходящего Солнца / Сост. и ред. Цурос П. ИМХО в кого там не попадай все бесполезно

von Echenbach: Dampir пишет: в кого там не попадай все бесполезно Спасибо. Ранее не обращал внимания. ЛгКР, лидер ЭМ. Нет авиационного вооружения (не исключены автожиры), ТА: на корме в сагиттальной плоскости - 2, по бортам, за второй трубой - по 1, всего 4х4 610-мм. 6 (3х2) 152 (в носу 2 установки линейно-возвышенно*, одна в корме), 6 100-мм, 4-8 25-мм. Борт 60, палуба 30. *- для сохранения японского "колорита" сохранил "классический подход". Пототип - ЛгТКР типа Фурутака-м. альт. супер-Юбари, аи Япония аи ЛгКР лидер ЭМ laid down 1938 Displacement: 3 871 t light; 4 061 t standard; 4 441 t normal; 4 745 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (454,68 ft / 433,07 ft) x 42,65 ft x (16,40 / 17,23 ft) (138,59 m / 132,00 m) x 13,00 m x (5,00 / 5,25 m) Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 210 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1938 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 6 - 3,94" / 100 mm 42,0 cal guns - 29,59lbs / 13,42kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 4 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 828 lbs / 376 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 24,0" / 610 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,222 t each, 17,778 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 8 - 24,0" / 610 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,222 t each, 17,778 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 331,36 ft / 101,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 118% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,47" / 12 mm 0,71" / 18 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,26" / 32 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 50 529 shp / 37 695 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 684 tons Complement: 271 - 353 Cost: £2,247 million / $8,989 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 288 tons, 6,5% - Guns: 217 tons, 4,9% - Weapons: 71 tons, 1,6% Armour: 660 tons, 14,9% - Belts: 343 tons, 7,7% - Armament: 46 tons, 1,0% - Armour Deck: 264 tons, 6,0% - Conning Tower: 7 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 384 tons, 31,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 539 tons, 34,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 570 tons, 12,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 786 lbs / 1 717 Kg = 35,3 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 13,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,61 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,513 / 0,522 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,15 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,69 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,59 ft / 5,36 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111,8% Waterplane Area: 12 955 Square feet or 1 204 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109% Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 343 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,84 - Longitudinal: 2,27 - Overall: 0,93 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: ТКР - Введена новая система заряжания, обеспечивающая 6 в/мин (техно. скорострельность аи - 10 в/мин), добавлен второй перегрузочный уровень для ГК. ТА 4, 2х4 в корме по центральной линии, 2 х4 - побортно. Катапульта в корме, над ТА, 1-3 гидросамолета. Проекты шарпия требуют доработки. Опубликованы общие ТТЭ. альт Нати, аи Япония аи ТКР laid down 1928. Концепция архитектуры "Фурутака" - две "пирамиды установок ГК, в носу и на корме. 12 (6х2) 8". Displacement: 9 909 t light; 10 496 t standard; 11 333 t normal; 12 002 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (569,37 ft / 544,62 ft) x 59,06 ft x (22,97 / 23,98 ft) (173,54 m / 166,00 m) x 18,00 m x (7,00 / 7,31 m) Armament: 12 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 180 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 3 462 lbs / 1 570 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 24,0" / 610 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,182 t each, 17,458 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 8 - 24,0" / 610 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,182 t each, 17,458 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 88,18 lbs / 40,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,394 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 93% of normal length Main Belt inclined 12,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 0 shafts, 73 553 shp / 54 871 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 4 600nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 506 tons Caution: Too much power for number of propellor shafts Complement: 548 - 713 Cost: £3,724 million / $14,897 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 995 tons, 8,8% - Guns: 925 tons, 8,2% - Weapons: 70 tons, 0,6% Armour: 1 927 tons, 17,0% - Belts: 756 tons, 6,7% - Armament: 189 tons, 1,7% - Armour Deck: 944 tons, 8,3% - Conning Towers: 39 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 2 290 tons, 20,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 697 tons, 41,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 424 tons, 12,6% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13 888 lbs / 6 300 Kg = 54,4 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 15,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,537 / 0,545 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,22 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,69 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 29,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m - Forward deck: 34,00%, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 21,03 ft / 6,41 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,6% Waterplane Area: 23 079 Square feet or 2 144 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120% Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 668 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,15 - Longitudinal: 2,48 - Overall: 1,24 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Развитие проекта: альт Атаго, аи Япония аи ТКР laid down 1931 15 (5х3) 8". Электродвигатели. Displacement: 11 563 t light; 12 289 t standard; 13 272 t normal; 14 059 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (569,57 ft / 544,62 ft) x 65,62 ft x (22,97 / 24,01 ft) (173,60 m / 166,00 m) x 20,00 m x (7,00 / 7,32 m) Armament: 15 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 190 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1931 Model 3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on sides, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 650 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 4 234 lbs / 1 921 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 24,0" / 610 mm, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m torpedoes - 2,194 t each, 17,554 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 88,18 lbs / 40,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,394 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 288,71 ft / 88,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 203,41 ft / 62,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 52,49 ft / 16,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 82% of normal length Main Belt inclined 9,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,31" / 8 mm 0,47" / 12 mm 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric motors, 4 shafts, 72 603 shp / 54 162 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 5 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 770 tons Complement: 617 - 803 Cost: £4,752 million / $19,009 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 177 tons, 8,9% - Guns: 1 142 tons, 8,6% - Weapons: 36 tons, 0,3% Armour: 2 727 tons, 20,5% - Belts: 902 tons, 6,8% - Armament: 208 tons, 1,6% - Armour Deck: 1 560 tons, 11,8% - Conning Towers: 57 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 2 171 tons, 16,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 523 tons, 41,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 709 tons, 12,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 19 283 lbs / 8 746 Kg = 75,5 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09 Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 15,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,95 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,566 / 0,573 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,30 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,83 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 41,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 28,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 23,35 ft / 7,12 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176,1% Waterplane Area: 26 367 Square feet or 2 450 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124% Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 715 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,12 - Longitudinal: 2,80 - Overall: 1,23 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: альт Тидори, аи Япония аи Эскортный МН - ЭМ 3 класса laid down 1935 Displacement: 579 t light; 602 t standard; 666 t normal; 717 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (238,01 ft / 223,10 ft) x 19,69 ft x (9,84 / 10,41 ft) (72,55 m / 68,00 m) x 6,00 m x (3,00 / 3,17 m) Armament: 3 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 4 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 550 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 94 lbs / 43 kg Main Torpedoes 3 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,536 t each, 4,609 t total In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 132,28 lbs / 60,00 kg Depth Charges + 28 reloads - 1,772 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,59" / 15 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 12 425 shp / 9 269 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 115 tons Complement: 65 - 85 Cost: £0,353 million / $1,411 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 26 tons, 3,9% - Guns: 18 tons, 2,7% - Weapons: 8 tons, 1,2% Armour: 3 tons, 0,4% - Armament: 2 tons, 0,3% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 317 tons, 47,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 232 tons, 34,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 87 tons, 13,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 273 lbs / 124 Kg = 9,0 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07 Metacentric height 0,5 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,539 / 0,549 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,33 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,82 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 12,95 ft / 3,95 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106,6% Waterplane Area: 3 157 Square feet or 293 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88% Structure weight / hull surface area: 27 lbs/sq ft or 130 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,61 - Longitudinal: 7,77 - Overall: 0,79 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

von Echenbach: Предложение по применению авианосцев: Атаки на крупные порты Западного побережья, в т.ч. на Панамский канал. Далее - охота на транспорты и слабые отряды или отдельные корабли. P.S.: метод рекомендуем для атак конвоев и-или их охранения в Атлантике.

von Echenbach: Пошалим... Супер-дредноут аи-"Исе" 6 ед.: laid down 1914, Displacement: 32 480 t light; 35 341 t standard; 36 872 t normal; 38 098 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (813,65 ft / 793,96 ft) x 108,27 ft x (26,25 / 26,97 ft) (248,00 m / 242,00 m) x 33,00 m x (8,00 / 8,22 m) Armament: 24 - 14,02" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 388,37lbs / 629,75kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1914 Model 6 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 3 raised mounts 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 16 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1914 Model 16 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 180 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1914 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 raised mounts Weight of broadside 34 334 lbs / 15 574 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,4" / 290 mm 534,78 ft / 163,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 62,34 ft / 19,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 104% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 11,0" / 280 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,38" / 35 mm - Conning towers: Forward 9,06" / 230 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 76 491 shp / 57 062 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 757 tons Complement: 1 329 - 1 729 Cost: £5,989 million / $23,955 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 7 107 tons, 19,3% - Guns: 7 107 tons, 19,3% Armour: 10 176 tons, 27,6% - Belts: 2 707 tons, 7,3% - Armament: 4 712 tons, 12,8% - Armour Deck: 2 540 tons, 6,9% - Conning Tower: 216 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 2 947 tons, 8,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 12 251 tons, 33,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 393 tons, 11,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 25 474 lbs / 11 555 Kg = 18,5 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 2,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04 Metacentric height 6,1 ft / 1,8 m Roll period: 18,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,13 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,575 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,33 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 30,53 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,52 ft / 5,95 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165,4% Waterplane Area: 62 771 Square feet or 5 832 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80% Structure weight / hull surface area: 196 lbs/sq ft or 957 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,76 - Longitudinal: 0,81 - Overall: 0,76 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room 4 арт. группы ГК с 2х3 14"/45 (3 выстрела в минуту при 750 кг снаряде). Есть вариант 3 арт. гр в корму от миделя. При модернизации добавляем були и меняем СК на аи-12-16х2 100-мм универсальных установки.

von Echenbach: Два направления: Аи-меняется тактическая оценка ЛК в линии при "генеральном сражении": 1. ЛнКР-БхЛК т. Конго лидируют миноносные силы (ЭМ, Торп. ЛгКР), 2. ТКР после постройки т. "Миоко" следующие серии под влиянием прогресса в авиатехнике перестраиваются в ЛгАВ-КР: трубы дымоходов в стороны, 6х2 127 универс, бронирование, пояс и палуба не более 40 мм, 2 самолётоподъёмника и 1-2 катапульты на 5 т. 36-44 самолёта. 3. ЛК типа Фусо и Исе модернизируются до стадии БхЛК: ход до 29-30 уз, небольшое удлинение корпуса, новая ДЭУ до 120 000 лс, Сняты казематы и СК, снят верхний пояс, оставлен пояс в 40-мм. 8х2 УАУ спаренных 127 или 100 мм. Предназначение - разгром крейсерских соединений и добивание повреждённых ЛК и АВ. Набеги на конвои (???). Одним из инициаторов аи - возможно такой неординарный адмирал, как Нагумо. Нагумо, предполагаю, в классическом представлении, несколько недооценён и закритикован, и м.б. чрезмерно рано в ри отодвинут от руководства. В аи - Ямамото не получает реально имевшиеся должности.

von Echenbach: аи модернизированный Фусо: laid down 1933, Displacement: 28 455 t light; 30 277 t standard; 31 659 t normal; 32 764 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (722,51 ft / 698,82 ft) x 95,14 ft x (27,23 / 28,02 ft) (220,22 m / 213,00 m) x 29,00 m x (8,30 / 8,54 m) Armament: 12 - 14,02" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 388,37lbs / 629,75kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 raised mounts 16 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 20 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 950 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 10 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 17 193 lbs / 7 799 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 390,42 ft / 119,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 4,02" / 102 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 45,93 ft / 14,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 86% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 12,0" / 305 mm 4,02" / 102 mm 12,0" / 305 mm 2nd: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 3,15" / 80 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm - Conning towers: Forward 12,01" / 305 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 119 268 shp / 88 974 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 2 487 tons Complement: 1 186 - 1 542 Cost: £14,478 million / $57,911 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 566 tons, 11,3% - Guns: 3 566 tons, 11,3% Armour: 8 690 tons, 27,4% - Belts: 2 427 tons, 7,7% - Armament: 3 317 tons, 10,5% - Armour Deck: 2 687 tons, 8,5% - Conning Tower: 259 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 3 475 tons, 11,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 12 724 tons, 40,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 204 tons, 10,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 40 105 lbs / 18 191 Kg = 29,1 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07 Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m Roll period: 17,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,97 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,612 / 0,616 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,34 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,44 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 23,77 ft / 7,25 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 178,3% Waterplane Area: 49 176 Square feet or 4 569 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103% Structure weight / hull surface area: 208 lbs/sq ft or 1 014 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,03 - Longitudinal: 1,62 - Overall: 1,08 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

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von Echenbach: Спасибо за книгу. Впечатление - панегирик с мемуарными дополнениями. Некоторые ассоциации с У. Лордом.

von Echenbach: Попытка "обхода" вашингтонского ограничения со стороны раздосадованных японцев. Быстроходный транспорт-танкер для сопровождения эскадры. В мирное время не несёт вооружения и работает в частной компании. Постройка по нормам для лёгкого крейсера. При мобилизации и вооружении /можно изменять/ действует как быстроходный ТР-танкер/крейсер ПВО и снабжения. Возможна трансформация в лёгкий авианосец с авиагруппой до 36-48 самолётов / или версия гидроавианосца с вероятным аи-развитием автожиров (с мотором отдельным на несущий винт и схемой "микро-биплан") до 12 шт. Всего 4-6-8 ед. "аи-Фукусима": laid down 1928, Displacement: 9 185 t light; 9 490 t standard; 10 003 t normal; 10 414 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (621,38 ft / 593,83 ft) x 55,77 ft x (19,69 / 20,31 ft) (189,40 m / 181,00 m) x 17,00 m x (6,00 / 6,19 m) Armament: 12 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 450 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck aft 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 1,67lbs / 0,76kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 405 lbs / 184 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 524,93 ft / 160,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 136% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - 3rd: 0,16" / 4 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,71" / 18 mm Forecastle: 0,00" / 0 mm Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,71" / 18 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 27 817 shp / 20 752 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 6 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 924 tons Complement: 499 - 650 Cost: £1,767 million / $7,068 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 67 tons, 0,7% - Guns: 67 tons, 0,7% Armour: 438 tons, 4,4% - Belts: 143 tons, 1,4% - Armament: 7 tons, 0,1% - Armour Deck: 281 tons, 2,8% - Conning Tower: 7 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 866 tons, 8,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 859 tons, 28,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 818 tons, 8,2% Miscellaneous weights: 4 955 tons, 49,5% - Hull below water: 4 910 tons - Hull above water: 20 tons - On freeboard deck: 15 tons - Above deck: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 15 600 lbs / 7 076 Kg = 144,4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,64 Metacentric height 4,7 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 10,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,05 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,87 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a round stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,537 / 0,542 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,65 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,37 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,77 ft / 5,72 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,0% Waterplane Area: 22 835 Square feet or 2 121 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137% Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 382 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,00 - Longitudinal: 1,04 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

von Echenbach: Исходя из ситуации ри на начало мая 1944 г - 3 мая начальник МГШ адмирал Симада приказал главнокомандующему Объединенным Флотом Соему Тойоде начать операцию по втягиванию противника в генеральное сражение в районе, лежащем как можно ближе к местам базирования Мобильного Флота... Далее - к ним прилетела сова... и они поняли, что что-то не так планируют (прорицание, ясновидение, попадунство японофильских дилетантов-альтернативщиков...). Собственно, само сражение при Марианских островах выглядит неловким и провальным для японцев. Не считая усиления по многим позициям американцев и инерции традиций руководства флота японцев. Что можно сделать/изменить за японцев, дабы избежать-переиграть "сражение при Марианских островах"? Коллеги - ваши действия...



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