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von Echenbach: Различные приключения и сюжеты ...

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von Echenbach: Италия договорилась с Францией под английские гарантии об "аренде" 6 броненосцев т. "Дантон". Некий прото ленд-лиз: при гибели корабля Италия выплачивает половину стоимости договорной. Первые 3-4 мес присутствуют французские консультанты-советники. Что было БЫ? Возможность ближней блокады Полы? Десант в Каттаро или в Себенико? Генеральный бой?

von Echenbach: Десант-ловушка для итальянцев (и англо-франков?): Сценарий аи - Высадка десанта на побережье Италии приводит к угрозе (формально) Венеции. Итальянский флот брошен в контр-операцию. В каком виде могут быть представлены действия флота Австро-Венгрии? При ситуации по составу в соответствии с реалом. На сентябрь 1915 г. У АВ 4 дредноута.

GromoBoy: По-моему, до Венеции проще пешком.

von Echenbach: GromoBoy пишет: проще пешком. Десант-ловушка-приманка. А по суше ближе в истории не получилось. Предложения за австрийцев: 1. Впустить неприятеля в Адриатику, завлечь погоней за своими крейсерами и встретить на подготовленной зоне артиллерийско-подводной-воздушной позиции, При отходе неприятеля организовать преследование ПЛ, часть ПЛ сразу в засаду. 2. Сразу действовать профилактически ПЛ, начиная от баз противника. И две позиции артиллерийского воздействия: в Отрантском проливе и у Полы.

GromoBoy: Преследование ПЛ? Но, Холмс, как?© Тем более с составом австрийского подплава.

von Echenbach: И правда... Может германцев привлечь? "Преследовать на заранее подготовленных позициях!" за поврежденными присмотреть.

GromoBoy: Немцев можно попробовать.

Инженер Сидоров: Германец далече, ему в обход европы лодки гнать. Можно найти союзничка поближе, всего лишь за Проливами. Российская Империя зовется - при грамотном царе-батюшке (не Николашке) она за просто так за "братушек-сербов" не впишется, нейтралитет держать будет, не связанная бременем французских кредитов.

von Echenbach: Это в данном случае, другая история. В данной теме, о ловушке, рассматриваем действия реальных сторон и составов. Германские лодки уже были в Австрии. При планировании операции можно заранее озаботиться присылкой 3-4 больших лодок дополнительно. И вот как эти лодки применить? Классика - в крейсерство у баз или коммуникациях. Но планируется бой в определенном районе, тогда как эскадренные лодки? Тактика?

von Echenbach: Какие могли построить корабли итальянцы при развитии аи 1 мировой и/или усилении состава легких сил Австро-Венгрии? Скауты, лидеры, эсминцы и м.б. легкие крейсера.

von Echenbach: аи-Дуилио (ah-Duilio) 1913. Ответ на вопрос - von Echenbach пишет: Какие могли построить корабли итальянцы при развитии аи 1 мировой и требуется доработка. аи-Дуилио, 3 ед. laid down 1912, Displacement: 17 055 t light; 18 559 t standard; 19 044 t normal; 19 433 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (649,02 ft / 626,64 ft) x 88,58 ft x (19,69 / 20,01 ft) (197,82 m / 191,00 m) x 27,00 m x (6,00 / 6,10 m) Armament: 6 - 18,11" / 460 mm 40,0 cal guns - 2 846,39lbs / 1 291,10kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck aft 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 12,84lbs / 5,82kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 17 870 lbs / 8 106 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 439,63 ft / 134,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,30" / 33 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 4,33" / 110 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 10,24" / 260 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 53 734 shp / 40 086 Kw = 25,75 kts Range 2 200nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 874 tons Complement: 809 - 1 053 Cost: £2,379 million / $9,516 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 053 tons, 16,0% - Guns: 3 053 tons, 16,0% Armour: 5 072 tons, 26,6% - Belts: 2 262 tons, 11,9% - Armament: 1 615 tons, 8,5% - Armour Deck: 1 037 tons, 5,4% - Conning Tower: 157 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 2 143 tons, 11,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 787 tons, 35,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 990 tons, 10,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 699 lbs / 5 760 Kg = 4,3 x 18,1 " / 460 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24 Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m Roll period: 15,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,610 / 0,612 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,07 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,10 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,91 ft / 5,46 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146,1% Waterplane Area: 42 023 Square feet or 3 904 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81% Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 740 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,69 - Longitudinal: 0,98 - Overall: 0,72 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Пан директор: Я бы сказал что водоизмещение нужно увеличить раза в три

von Echenbach: Пан директор пишет: водоизмещение нужно увеличить раза в три При моём миниманизме увеличение-удлинение-расширение не более 2-3 000 т. Если больше, м.б впихнуться 3х3 460, "нельсоновской" пирамидой в центре. И аи-версия аи-линейного крейсера "Юлий Цезарь", 3 ед.: laid down 1913, Displacement: 18 259 t light; 19 388 t standard; 20 038 t normal; 20 559 t full load, пирамида в центре, 16 котлов в две сдвоенные трубы. Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (655,58 ft / 633,20 ft) x 91,86 ft x (22,97 / 23,41 ft) (199,82 m / 193,00 m) x 28,00 m x (7,00 / 7,14 m) Armament: 9 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 140 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 8 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 9 263 lbs / 4 201 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,852 t each, 6,813 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 12,2" / 310 mm 337,93 ft / 103,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 82% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 12,2" / 310 mm 2nd: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 6,30" / 160 mm - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,17" / 55 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1,38" / 35 mm - Conning towers: Forward 11,02" / 280 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 63 023 shp / 47 015 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 2 400nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 171 tons (39% coal) Complement: 841 - 1 094 Cost: £2,028 million / $8,112 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 120 tons, 10,6% - Guns: 2 107 tons, 10,5% - Weapons: 14 tons, 0,1% Armour: 5 318 tons, 26,5% - Belts: 1 939 tons, 9,7% - Armament: 1 725 tons, 8,6% - Armour Deck: 1 479 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 175 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 2 560 tons, 12,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 260 tons, 41,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 780 tons, 8,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 24 850 lbs / 11 272 Kg = 28,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 4,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19 Metacentric height 6,1 ft / 1,9 m Roll period: 15,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,41 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,525 / 0,528 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,89 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,44 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 23,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 31,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 16,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,44 ft / 5,62 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,8% Waterplane Area: 40 622 Square feet or 3 774 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107% Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 857 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,00 - Longitudinal: 1,38 - Overall: 1,03 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: аи-Аквила, прото-аналог Фурутак-Хаукинсов-Чикагов: laid down 1912, Displacement: 5 381 t light; 5 743 t standard; 6 001 t normal; 6 208 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (513,11 ft / 498,69 ft) x 54,13 ft x (14,76 / 15,15 ft) (156,40 m / 152,00 m) x 16,50 m x (4,50 / 4,62 m) Armament: 9 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 190 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 796 lbs / 1 268 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,779 t each, 6,228 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 354,33 ft / 108,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 109% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 2,36" / 60 mm - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,02" / 26 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 31 907 shp / 23 803 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 464 tons Complement: 340 - 443 Cost: £0,627 million / $2,508 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 796 tons, 13,3% - Guns: 784 tons, 13,1% - Weapons: 12 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 006 tons, 16,8% - Belts: 270 tons, 4,5% - Armament: 373 tons, 6,2% - Armour Deck: 347 tons, 5,8% - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 272 tons, 21,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 306 tons, 38,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 621 tons, 10,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 5 076 lbs / 2 302 Kg = 19,9 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 15,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,92 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,527 / 0,531 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,21 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,00 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 19,03 ft / 5,80 m - Average freeboard: 15,44 ft / 4,71 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137,0% Waterplane Area: 18 888 Square feet or 1 755 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,88 - Longitudinal: 1,17 - Overall: 0,90 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: аи-Дандоло, улучшенный № 13: laid down 1911, laid down 1911, Displacement: 21 570 t light; 23 701 t standard; 24 433 t normal; 25 019 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (664,03 ft / 643,04 ft) x 100,07 ft x (24,93 / 25,39 ft) (202,40 m / 196,00 m) x 30,50 m x (7,60 / 7,74 m) Armament: 9 - 18,11" / 460 mm 40,0 cal guns - 2 846,39lbs / 1 291,10kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 26 418 lbs / 11 983 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 449,48 ft / 137,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 85,30 ft / 26,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,54" / 90 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,73" / 44 mm Forecastle: 1,10" / 28 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm - Conning towers: Forward 10,24" / 260 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 46 282 shp / 34 526 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 318 tons (33% coal) Complement: 976 - 1 270 Cost: £3,217 million / $12,867 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 4 478 tons, 18,3% - Guns: 4 478 tons, 18,3% Armour: 6 388 tons, 26,1% - Belts: 2 328 tons, 9,5% - Armament: 2 478 tons, 10,1% - Armour Deck: 1 397 tons, 5,7% - Conning Tower: 186 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 1 936 tons, 7,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 767 tons, 35,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 864 tons, 11,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13 368 lbs / 6 064 Kg = 4,5 x 18,1 " / 460 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09 Metacentric height 5,9 ft / 1,8 m Roll period: 17,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,533 / 0,536 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,43 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,74 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,28 ft / 5,27 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130,5% Waterplane Area: 45 278 Square feet or 4 206 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 79% Structure weight / hull surface area: 185 lbs/sq ft or 901 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,64 - Longitudinal: 1,10 - Overall: 0,68 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: эксплораторе аи-Марсала: laid down 1913, Displacement: 2 768 t light; 2 872 t standard; 3 006 t normal; 3 113 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (421,25 ft / 406,82 ft) x 39,37 ft x (11,48 / 11,80 ft) (128,40 m / 124,00 m) x 12,00 m x (3,50 / 3,60 m) Armament: 9 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1913 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 533 lbs / 242 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,921 t each, 7,365 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 96% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,57" / 40 mm - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,87" / 22 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,18" / 30 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 30 310 shp / 22 611 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 241 tons Complement: 202 - 263 Cost: £0,336 million / $1,343 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 164 tons, 5,5% - Guns: 149 tons, 5,0% - Weapons: 15 tons, 0,5% Armour: 345 tons, 11,5% - Belts: 97 tons, 3,2% - Armament: 59 tons, 2,0% - Armour Deck: 183 tons, 6,1% - Conning Tower: 5 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 161 tons, 38,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 098 tons, 36,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 238 tons, 7,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 833 lbs / 832 Kg = 34,8 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15 Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,13 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,576 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,33 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,52 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,94 ft / 4,86 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 140,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140,4% Waterplane Area: 11 696 Square feet or 1 087 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94% Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 292 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,84 - Longitudinal: 1,76 - Overall: 0,91 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: аи-"Гарибальди" по опережению к 1937: laid down 1933, Displacement: 7 909 t light; 8 239 t standard; 8 554 t normal; 8 806 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (616,80 ft / 597,11 ft) x 55,77 ft x (16,40 / 16,78 ft) (188,00 m / 182,00 m) x 17,00 m x (5,00 / 5,11 m) Armament: 9 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 1 raised mount - superfiring 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 16 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 29,24lbs / 13,26kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 2 raised mounts - superfiring 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 16 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 1,71lbs / 0,78kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mount, 1933 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on sides amidships Weight of broadside 1 468 lbs / 666 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m torpedoes - 1,451 t each, 8,705 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,33" / 110 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 39,37 ft / 12,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 76% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,33" / 110 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,33" / 110 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 56 197 shp / 41 923 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 567 tons Complement: 444 - 578 Cost: £2,934 million / $11,737 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 388 tons, 4,5% - Guns: 371 tons, 4,3% - Weapons: 17 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 411 tons, 16,5% - Belts: 651 tons, 7,6% - Armament: 226 tons, 2,6% - Armour Deck: 495 tons, 5,8% - Conning Tower: 39 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 637 tons, 19,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 472 tons, 52,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 645 tons, 7,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 810 lbs / 5 811 Kg = 119,6 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 14,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,38 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , an extended bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,552 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,07 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,45 ft / 5,32 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147,6% Waterplane Area: 23 770 Square feet or 2 208 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 148% Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 647 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,46 - Longitudinal: 1,37 - Overall: 1,40 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room для комплектности

Инженер Сидоров: Если бы не ГК, можно было бы принять за основу пр. 26/26бис для ВМФ СССР.

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