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Италия - Австрия, 1 Мировая альтернатива (продолжение)
von Echenbach: АИ вариант истории: Анонс "Спасение империи требует создания республики!" - с таким лейтмотивом прозвучало обращение к подданным 1 июля 1914 года эрцгерцога Франца Фердинанда, появившегося на площади в Будапеште после неудавшегося покушения в Сараево. Эрцгерцог получил тяжелое ранение, не угрожавшее, однако, его жизни. Обращение привело к последующему объявлению императором Францем Иосифом о начале двуединого правления с Францем Фердинандом. Я. Гашек уже сможет написать: "убили-то подстрелили-то Фердинанда нашего"- сказал Швейк... Далее было объявлено о создании "Единой республиканской ("семиреспубликанской") Священной империи Центральной Европы. Все эти изменения фактически подводили итог многолетней работе, проводимой Францем Фердинандом. ... После вступления Италии в войну на стороне Антанты в мае 1915 года, в августе последовала стратегическая десантная операция Австро-Венгрии . В районе Римини была высажена Ударная армия, взято побережье Сан-Марино - Комаккьо. Армия продвинулась до Кьеджо (У Венецианского залива), Ровиго, Феррара и Модена с угрозой Падуе, Мантуе и Парме. Передовые отряды на южном фасе заняли перевалы и подходы к Флоренции и ... Итальянский фронт рухнул в течение 3-х недель. Факторами, способствовавшими успехам сухопутных войск были: широкое применение авиации, штурмовых бомбомётов и легких бронированых самоходных устройств-тракторов с бронеавтомобилями. Одновременно королю Италии был предложен договор о мире с весьма мягкими условиями и заманчивыми перспективами сотрудничества. В Адриатике происходили активные морские действия для предотвращения блокады десанта. Значительная часть работы выполнялась подводными лодками, минными заградителями. Активно действовали линейные и лёгкие силы. Наибольший эффект произошел от применения для высадки специальных десантных кораблей. Состав флотов в Антанте - реал. Предложения и замечания - ?
von Echenbach: Супер Санкт-Георг (11500 т, 27 уз, 3х3 240, 12х1 100, Б,Бш - 160, П - 30-60). Если МЦ мал - то ... увеличим до 13 000 т. и т.д. laid down 1909 Displacement: 9 986 t light; 10 473 t standard; 11 008 t normal; 11 435 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (499,99 ft / 482,28 ft) x 62,34 ft x (22,97 / 23,65 ft) (152,40 m / 147,00 m) x 19,00 m x (7,00 / 7,21 m) Armament: 9 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 12 - 3,94" / 100 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1909 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 4 233 lbs / 1 920 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,905 t each, 3,619 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 6,30" / 160 mm 275,59 ft / 84,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 88% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 6,30" / 160 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,15" / 80 mm, Aft 1,57" / 40 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 41 302 shp / 30 811 Kw = 26,50 kts Range 2 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 962 tons Complement: 536 - 698 Cost: £0,990 million / $3,961 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 146 tons, 10,4% - Guns: 1 138 tons, 10,3% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1% Armour: 2 418 tons, 22,0% - Belts: 887 tons, 8,1% - Armament: 585 tons, 5,3% - Armour Deck: 895 tons, 8,1% - Conning Towers: 50 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 877 tons, 17,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 545 tons, 41,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 022 tons, 9,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13 311 lbs / 6 038 Kg = 31,6 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 15,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,98 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,558 / 0,563 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,74 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,42 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,85 ft / 5,75 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141,8% Waterplane Area: 22 012 Square feet or 2 045 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113% Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 755 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,14 - Longitudinal: 2,57 - Overall: 1,23 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Немного изменённый аи дредноут 2 поколения аи АВ Фердинанда тип Тегетгоф - 2 ед laid down 1912 Displacement: 18 983 t light; 20 036 t standard; 20 880 t normal; 21 555 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (584,22 ft / 567,59 ft) x 78,74 ft x (22,97 / 23,60 ft) (178,07 m / 173,00 m) x 24,00 m x (7,00 / 7,19 m) Armament: 6 - 15,98" / 406 mm 42,0 cal guns - 1 980,10lbs / 898,16kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 8,41lbs / 3,81kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 12 300 lbs / 5 579 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 396,98 ft / 121,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 3,54" / 90 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 26,25 ft / 8,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads: 0,79" / 20 mm 396,98 ft / 121,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m Beam between torpedo bulkheads 55,77 ft / 17,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,8" / 300 mm 6,30" / 160 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 3,54" / 90 mm Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm - Conning towers: Forward 6,30" / 160 mm, Aft 1,57" / 40 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 46 191 shp / 34 458 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 519 tons Complement: 868 - 1 129 Cost: £1,976 million / $7,904 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 268 tons, 10,9% - Guns: 2 268 tons, 10,9% Armour: 6 659 tons, 31,9% - Belts: 2 225 tons, 10,7% - Torpedo bulkhead: 228 tons, 1,1% - Armament: 1 827 tons, 8,7% - Armour Deck: 2 251 tons, 10,8% - Conning Towers: 129 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 1 842 tons, 8,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 214 tons, 39,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 897 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 30 308 lbs / 13 748 Kg = 14,8 x 16,0 " / 406 mm shells or 4,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17 Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 15,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,22 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a straight bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,712 / 0,715 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,21 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,63 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 21,00 ft / 6,40 m - Average freeboard: 20,31 ft / 6,19 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160,6% Waterplane Area: 37 173 Square feet or 3 453 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 884 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,04 - Longitudinal: 1,71 - Overall: 1,09 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily Что-то есть от Саламиса, что-то от Эспаний и что-то от Рипалсов с Нельсонами. Возможна некая реинкарнация Нагато.
von Echenbach: Немного иная инкарнация Фурутака, в связи с небольшим изменением доктрины флота аи-АВ. аи Зента-2 laid down 1909 Displacement: 6 938 t light; 7 262 t standard; 7 799 t normal; 8 229 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (490,14 ft / 472,44 ft) x 52,49 ft x (16,40 / 17,15 ft) (149,40 m / 144,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,00 / 5,23 m) Armament: 6 - 7,48" / 190 mm 45,0 cal guns - 211,07lbs / 95,74kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1909 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1909 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 1 727 lbs / 783 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,767 t each, 3,066 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 141,08 ft / 43,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 78,74 ft / 24,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 82% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads: 0,59" / 15 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Beam between torpedo bulkheads 45,93 ft / 14,00 m - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,79" / 20 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 33 009 shp / 24 625 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 967 tons Complement: 414 - 539 Cost: £0,594 million / $2,376 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 444 tons, 5,7% - Guns: 438 tons, 5,6% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 606 tons, 20,6% - Belts: 466 tons, 6,0% - Torpedo bulkhead: 72 tons, 0,9% - Armament: 226 tons, 2,9% - Armour Deck: 814 tons, 10,4% - Conning Towers: 27 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 500 tons, 19,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 389 tons, 43,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 861 tons, 11,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11 787 lbs / 5 347 Kg = 56,3 x 7,5 " / 190 mm shells or 3,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14 Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 14,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,62 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,671 / 0,677 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,59 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,53 ft / 5,34 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158,3% Waterplane Area: 20 212 Square feet or 1 878 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 131% Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 601 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,31 - Longitudinal: 1,86 - Overall: 1,36 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Планируется некоторый пересмотр состава и ТТХ кораблей флота Фердинанда. Параллельно рассматривается вероятность изменения флота Германии и соответствующие реакции прочих стран. Германия: Начиная с изменения проекта Роона в 1902 г до схемы с ретирадно-возвышенной установкой ГК, т.е. 3х2 210 /мотивация внешняя: возврат к скрепам "бранденбургизации обновлённой по Анри 4"/ и 8 105 - 3 ед, Уменьшается численность броненосцев до 3 в серии Брауншвейг и Дойчланд. Тип Шарнхорст (3 ед: Шарнхорст, Гнейзенау, Блюхер) с 1906 строится с 3х2 280 (240 - ?), 12-16 000 т, 21-23 уз, турбины(?), б 150, п -50 - по схеме аи-Роона и предназначены для рейдерства. Серия Фон дер Танн (ФдТ, Гебен и Мольтке) с 4х2 линейно-ретирадной схемой 280 мм ГК - с 1908. Серия Зейдлиц (Зейдлиц, Лютцов и Дерфлингер) с 4х2 305 с 1910. Серия Шлиффен (условно - Шлиффен, Гинденбург, Маккензен) - с 1912 ( м.б. на 1-2 года раньше) по архитектуре реал-Лютцов при 4х2 350 мм. Дредноуты: 6 Нассау в 1905, 6 Остфрисланд по схеме Исе в 1907, 3 Кайзер с 4-5х2 350 в 1909, 4-6 Байерн с 4х2 380 в 1911. Дальние разведчики (большие КР) с линейно-ретирадной схемой 4х2 210, б 60\п 40, 26-28 уз, 8600 т - тяжёлые, 3-6; 6 - лёгкие с 4х1 210. б 60\п 40, 26-28 уз, 6400 т . Лёгкие - 6-8 ед, с 6-7х1 150, б 60\п 40, 26-28 уз, 6400 т и ближние разведчики - 12-14 ед, 4-6 105, б\п 40, 26-28 уз, 3200 т. ЭМ (Z) - 3 105, 2-3x2 а, 28-30 уз, 900т; МН (D) - 600т, 2 105,2х2 та, 28 уз; МН (F) - 400 т, 2 88, 2х2 та, 2х1 та, 26-28 уз. Количество крейсеров вероятно уменьшится. Германия-аи планирует создать океанских крейсерских группы по 1 ЛгЛн, 1 Бр, 1 Т, 2 Лг и 3 Всп. КР. А-В аи имеет колонии к 1914 году: о. Формозу, о. Пандан и Парасельские о-ва. Что можно выделить для "океанской эскадры"?
von Echenbach: Насколько необходимы/важны для аи Австро-Венгрии Фердинанда в частности, да и вообще - в т.ч. ри-аи варианты "приобретения" Филиппин и Формозы. М.б. при "договоре" с Китаем в 1892-93 и с Испанией в 1896-97 гг?
von Echenbach: Какие можно строить лайнеры "общего назначения" австрийцам? С возможностью быстрой перестройки в быстроходные ТР-вспКР и авиакрейсеры.
von Echenbach: Поиск проекта "микро карманный линкор"/мини-броненосец рейдер-ббо АВ флота Фердинанда-аи: зеркальная схема "Санкт Георга" с вариациями - проект 1905-6000-2/240-4/120-24: laid down 1906 Displacement: 4 848 t light; 5 052 t standard; 5 668 t normal; 6 161 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (411,45 ft / 396,98 ft) x 49,21 ft x (16,40 / 17,54 ft) (125,41 m / 121,00 m) x 15,00 m x (5,00 / 5,35 m) Armament: 2 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1906 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 117 lbs / 506 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,728 t each, 2,912 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 249,34 ft / 76,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 97% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 21 075 shp / 15 722 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 4 400nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 108 tons (33% coal) Complement: 326 - 424 Cost: £0,460 million / $1,839 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 284 tons, 5,0% - Guns: 278 tons, 4,9% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 045 tons, 18,4% - Belts: 580 tons, 10,2% - Armament: 105 tons, 1,8% - Armour Deck: 336 tons, 5,9% - Conning Tower: 24 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 411 tons, 24,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 108 tons, 37,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 820 tons, 14,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 7 639 lbs / 3 465 Kg = 18,1 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 2,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,25 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 12,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,30 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,619 / 0,629 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,07 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,84 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,47 ft / 5,33 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151,4% Waterplane Area: 15 164 Square feet or 1 409 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119% Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 469 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,07 - Longitudinal: 2,42 - Overall: 1,16 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily в версии 3х240 ттэ практически не меняются. проект 1905-7777-2/305-4/120-24: laid down 1906 Displacement: 6 208 t light; 6 493 t standard; 7 200 t normal; 7 765 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (444,26 ft / 429,79 ft) x 52,49 ft x (18,04 / 19,17 ft) (135,41 m / 131,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,50 / 5,84 m) Armament: 2 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1906 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1906 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 012 lbs / 913 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,728 t each, 2,912 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 291,99 ft / 89,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 101,71 ft / 31,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 105% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 23 695 shp / 17 677 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 4 400nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 272 tons (33% coal) Complement: 390 - 508 Cost: £0,615 million / $2,461 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 429 tons, 6,0% - Guns: 423 tons, 5,9% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 189 tons, 16,5% - Belts: 631 tons, 8,8% - Armament: 132 tons, 1,8% - Armour Deck: 389 tons, 5,4% - Conning Towers: 38 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 586 tons, 22,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 004 tons, 41,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 992 tons, 13,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 9 257 lbs / 4 199 Kg = 10,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,21 Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 13,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,24 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,619 / 0,628 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,19 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,73 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,47 ft / 5,33 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146,4% Waterplane Area: 17 512 Square feet or 1 627 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119% Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 590 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,15 - Longitudinal: 2,37 - Overall: 1,24 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily - приближается к размерам "типового" ри а-в броненосца. Цель проработки проекта: возможный проект быстроходного малого БрБО колониальной службы / БрКР-рейдера.
von Echenbach: Аналог МН типов "35 года" (Т-10) и микс МН АВ "74-Т" и германского "А". Проект 1908-400-1/100-4Т-26 (возможно добавление 10 ГлБ и двух 37-66): type laid down 1909 Displacement: 339 t light; 349 t standard; 364 t normal; 375 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (201,43 ft / 187,01 ft) x 19,69 ft x (7,22 / 7,38 ft) (61,39 m / 57,00 m) x 6,00 m x (2,20 / 2,25 m) Armament: 1 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 40,0 cal gun - 29,24lbs / 13,26kg shells, 100 per gun Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1909 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 1 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal gun - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1909 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward Weight of broadside 38 lbs / 17 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,767 t each, 3,066 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes /2х2 - 3х2 centre rotating tubes/ Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 6 613 shp / 4 933 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 600nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 26 tons Complement: 41 - 54 Cost: £0,040 million / $0,160 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 10 tons, 2,8% - Guns: 6 tons, 1,8% - Weapons: 4 tons, 1,1% Machinery: 189 tons, 51,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 141 tons, 38,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 24 tons, 6,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 164 lbs / 74 Kg = 5,4 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 10,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,19 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,479 / 0,483 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,50 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,71 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 15,42 ft / 4,70 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 44,00%, 8,53 ft / 2,60 m, 8,53 ft / 2,60 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 8,53 ft / 2,60 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,75 ft / 3,28 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114,4% Waterplane Area: 2 502 Square feet or 232 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 59% Structure weight / hull surface area: 25 lbs/sq ft or 121 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,65 - Longitudinal: 5,92 - Overall: 0,81 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Продажи и перевод в «аренду» (идея ленд-лиза) - экономия на содержании старых кораблей. Китай, 1892 – 3 БР (модернизированные «Кустоза» - 8 210/30-35 Крупп вместо 8 260/22, «Эрцгерцог Альбрехт» - 8 210/30-35 Крупп вместо 8 240/22, «Тегетгоф»_? 6 240/30-35 вместо 6 280/22. На всех броненосцах добавлены по 6 150/35. Скорость после ремонта машин, котлов и замены винтов составила 13 узлов. Водоизмещение 6500 т. Добавлены переборки и элеваторы подач снарядов 15 см.) + таранный торпедный крейсер «Пантер» и 6 МН 90 т типа Шихау. Испания, 1897 – 2 БР («Рудольф», «Стефания»), 3 БрБО («Монарх», «Вена», «Будапешт» - аренда, ТО), 2 БпКР («Франц-Иосиф», «Элизабет»), 2 минных крейсера («Леопард», «Тигр»), 6 МН типа 90 т Шихау Россия, 1903 – 3 БР («Габсбург», «Арпад», «Бабенсберг» - аренда, ускорены постройкой с 2х2 240), 2 БрКР («Мария-Терезия», «Карл 6»/аи постройка сдвинута и ускорена/), 3 КР типа «Зента» («Зента», «Асперн», «Жигетвар») - аренда, 2 минных крейсера («Магнет», «Сателлит» - модернизация: котлы – 21 уз, арт. - 4-6 66 или 1 120 и 1-2 66), 4 МН типа «Кобра», 4 МН типа 90 т Шихау, 3 ПЛ (тип Норденфельд-Голланд аи 95/120т, 2 та, 7/5 уз). Мексика, Парагвай, Перу – по 2 старых КЛ, 2 МН, 1ПЛ. + по 4 Мн аи 130т Шихау. Какие могли быть "заказные" корабли для Абиссинии, бурских республик, Сиама и Китая? И м. б. Португалия-Турция-Скандинавия?
von Echenbach: Из "заказа" Китая 1889 г, своеобразный ответ на "эльсвики" 3 ед. + 3 бркл, 2 минных КР, 4 МН. laid down 1891 Displacement: 3 910 t light; 4 141 t standard; 4 306 t normal; 4 438 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (449,48 ft / 429,79 ft) x 49,21 ft x (13,12 / 13,44 ft) (137,00 m / 131,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,00 / 4,10 m) Armament: 6 - 8,27" / 210 mm 35,0 cal guns - 264,95lbs / 120,18kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 19,50lbs / 8,84kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas Weight of broadside 1 746 lbs / 792 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,244 t each, 0,488 t total submerged bow & stern tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 229,66 ft / 70,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 3,15" / 80 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 82% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,01" / 51 mm - - 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,59" / 15 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,15" / 80 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 744 ihp / 5 777 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 297 tons (100% coal) Complement: 265 - 345 Cost: £0,397 million / $1,587 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 202 tons, 4,7% - Guns: 201 tons, 4,7% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 079 tons, 25,0% - Belts: 727 tons, 16,9% - Armament: 38 tons, 0,9% - Armour Deck: 295 tons, 6,9% - Conning Tower: 18 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 399 tons, 32,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 229 tons, 28,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 397 tons, 9,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 340 lbs / 1 515 Kg = 11,8 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 4,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,49 Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 11,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,33 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,63 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,543 / 0,547 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,73 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,73 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,24 ft / 4,65 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,6% Waterplane Area: 14 665 Square feet or 1 362 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96% Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 303 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,76 - Longitudinal: 0,92 - Overall: 0,78 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Нечто подобное построили для Сиама, с улучшенной артиллерией: 3 брКР лг, 3 минных КР, 3 брКЛ, 3 КЛ, 3 ТР, 6 МН.
von Echenbach: Китайский заказ 2-б версия: в один корпус четыре типа кораблей (?): 1. аи развитие Цзиньюань, аи Китай Ферд аи бркр 3 класса А-В про laid down 1890 Barbette ship Displacement: 4 018 t light; 4 190 t standard; 4 235 t normal; 4 271 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,64 ft / 364,17 ft) x 49,21 ft x (15,09 / 15,19 ft) (115,41 m / 111,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,60 / 4,63 m) Armament: 6 - 8,27" / 210 mm 35,0 cal guns - 264,95lbs / 120,18kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1890 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 12 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 8,23lbs / 3,73kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 1 688 lbs / 766 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,411 t each, 1,644 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 1,18" / 30 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 308 ihp / 6 198 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 180nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal) Complement: 262 - 341 Cost: £0,434 million / $1,736 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 353 tons, 8,3% - Guns: 349 tons, 8,3% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 374 tons, 32,4% - Belts: 786 tons, 18,6% - Armament: 254 tons, 6,0% - Armour Deck: 314 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 488 tons, 35,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 803 tons, 19,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 217 tons, 5,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 951 lbs / 885 Kg = 6,9 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 2,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,36 Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 12,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,549 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,12 ft / 5,22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 132,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,3% Waterplane Area: 12 997 Square feet or 1 207 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80% Structure weight / hull surface area: 52 lbs/sq ft or 254 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,52 - Longitudinal: 1,30 - Overall: 0,57 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather 2. аи развитие Чжиюань, аи Китай Ферд аи бпкр 3 класса А-В про laid down 1890 Barbette ship Displacement: 4 069 t light; 4 190 t standard; 4 235 t normal; 4 271 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,64 ft / 364,17 ft) x 49,21 ft x (15,09 / 15,19 ft) (115,41 m / 111,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,60 / 4,63 m) Armament: 6 - 5,91" / 150 mm 32,0 cal guns - 95,53lbs / 43,33kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1890 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 12 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 8,23lbs / 3,73kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 672 lbs / 305 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,411 t each, 1,644 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 1,18" / 30 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 308 ihp / 6 198 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 180nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal) Complement: 262 - 341 Cost: £0,389 million / $1,555 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 131 tons, 3,1% - Guns: 128 tons, 3,0% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 782 tons, 18,5% - Belts: 274 tons, 6,5% - Armament: 174 tons, 4,1% - Armour Deck: 314 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 539 tons, 36,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 617 tons, 38,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 166 tons, 3,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 869 lbs / 1 755 Kg = 37,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 11,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,26 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,549 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,12 ft / 5,22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,3% Waterplane Area: 12 997 Square feet or 1 207 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 414 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,00 - Longitudinal: 2,37 - Overall: 1,09 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather 3 аи развитие Пиньюань, аи Китай Ферд аи БР 3 класса А-В про laid down 1890 Barbette ship Displacement: 4 036 t light; 4 190 t standard; 4 235 t normal; 4 271 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,64 ft / 364,17 ft) x 49,21 ft x (15,09 / 15,19 ft) (115,41 m / 111,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,60 / 4,63 m) Armament: 4 - 9,45" / 240 mm 32,0 cal guns - 391,31lbs / 177,49kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1890 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 12 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 8,23lbs / 3,73kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 1 664 lbs / 755 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,411 t each, 1,644 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 1,18" / 30 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 308 ihp / 6 198 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 180nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal) Complement: 262 - 341 Cost: £0,428 million / $1,711 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 317 tons, 7,5% - Guns: 314 tons, 7,4% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 247 tons, 29,4% - Belts: 652 tons, 15,4% - Armament: 261 tons, 6,2% - Armour Deck: 314 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 497 tons, 35,4% Hull, fittings & equipment: 975 tons, 23,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 198 tons, 4,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 235 lbs / 1 014 Kg = 5,3 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 2,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,37 Metacentric height 3,0 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 11,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,66 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,549 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,12 ft / 5,22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 131,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,3% Waterplane Area: 12 997 Square feet or 1 207 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84% Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 290 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,58 - Longitudinal: 1,49 - Overall: 0,64 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather 4 кр 2 кл аи аи развитие Гуаньи, аи Китай Ферд аи кр 2 класса А-В про laid down 1890 Displacement: 4 045 t light; 4 190 t standard; 4 235 t normal; 4 271 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,64 ft / 364,17 ft) x 49,21 ft x (15,09 / 15,19 ft) (115,41 m / 111,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,60 / 4,63 m) Armament: 10 - 4,72" / 120 mm 40,0 cal guns - 50,53lbs / 22,92kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 12 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 8,23lbs / 3,73kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 604 lbs / 274 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,411 t each, 1,644 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 216,54 ft / 66,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 91% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm - 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 444 ihp / 8 537 Kw = 21,00 kts Range 180nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal) Complement: 262 - 341 Cost: £0,456 million / $1,823 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 97 tons, 2,3% - Guns: 94 tons, 2,2% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 572 tons, 13,5% - Belts: 191 tons, 4,5% - Armament: 58 tons, 1,4% - Armour Deck: 314 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 2 063 tons, 48,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 313 tons, 31,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 190 tons, 4,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 243 lbs / 1 017 Kg = 42,5 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,59 Metacentric height 3,8 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 10,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,13 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,91 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,549 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,12 ft / 5,22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 164,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,3% Waterplane Area: 12 997 Square feet or 1 207 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84% Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 333 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,85 - Longitudinal: 1,90 - Overall: 0,93 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: Улучшенный аи проект А-В верфи «Данубиус» аиБР аи Пиньюань: laid down 1890 Barbette ship 17 уз, 2х2 240. Displacement: 4 034 t light; 4 190 t standard; 4 235 t normal; 4 271 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (378,64 ft / 364,17 ft) x 49,21 ft x (15,09 / 15,19 ft) (115,41 m / 111,00 m) x 15,00 m x (4,60 / 4,63 m) Armament: 4 - 9,45" / 240 mm 35,0 cal guns - 395,50lbs / 179,40kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1890 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 12 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 8,23lbs / 3,73kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 1 681 lbs / 762 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,411 t each, 1,644 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 242,78 ft / 74,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 118,11 ft / 36,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 144,36 ft / 44,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Main Belt covers 103% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,42" / 36 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5 850 ihp / 4 364 Kw = 17,00 kts Range 180nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 80 tons (100% coal) Complement: 262 - 341 Cost: £0,377 million / $1,507 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 349 tons, 8,2% - Guns: 346 tons, 8,2% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 375 tons, 32,5% - Belts: 791 tons, 18,7% - Armament: 261 tons, 6,2% - Armour Deck: 314 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 079 tons, 25,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 231 tons, 29,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 201 tons, 4,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 460 lbs / 2 023 Kg = 10,6 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 3,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 12,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,73 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,549 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,40 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,12 ft / 5,22 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,3% Waterplane Area: 12 997 Square feet or 1 207 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97% Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 357 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,72 - Longitudinal: 1,93 - Overall: 0,79 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: "Китайский заказ", продолжение. Если для "китайских" проектов официальными источниками идей можно назвать "эльсвикские" крейсера, Бодин, Бранденбург, Дюпои де Лом, Нахимов и +- Фюльгия, то каким мог быть "супер- минный" малый крейсер?
GromoBoy: Чито значит "супер-минный"? Много торпедов?
von Echenbach: GromoBoy пишет: "супер-минный"? Много торпедов? Да. В некотором виде, с 2х2 по центру в корме и 4-8х2 по бортам (на борт 4-2х2 бортовых и 2х2 центральных) та. + 5 88\35-40\ 2 из которых в спонсонах на полубаке или сразу за его срезом\между парами бортовых та, 22-23 уз. laid down 1891 Displacement: 902 t light; 930 t standard; 979 t normal; 1 018 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (250,30 ft / 236,22 ft) x 29,53 ft x (9,84 / 10,13 ft) (76,29 m / 72,00 m) x 9,00 m x (3,00 / 3,09 m) Armament: 5 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 19,50lbs / 8,84kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1891 Model 3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 97 lbs / 44 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,425 t each, 1,700 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,425 t each, 3,400 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 187 ihp / 4 615 Kw = 22,00 kts Range 800nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 88 tons (100% coal) Complement: 86 - 113 Cost: £0,115 million / $0,459 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 22 tons, 2,3% - Guns: 12 tons, 1,2% - Weapons: 10 tons, 1,0% Armour: 5 tons, 0,5% - Armament: 4 tons, 0,4% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 568 tons, 58,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 307 tons, 31,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 77 tons, 7,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 372 lbs / 169 Kg = 17,9 x 3,5 " / 88 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,69 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 9,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,07 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,499 / 0,504 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,87 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 48,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Quarter deck: 12,00%, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 10,37 ft / 3,16 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78,2% Waterplane Area: 4 828 Square feet or 449 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 43% Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 198 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,82 - Longitudinal: 1,92 - Overall: 0,90 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Какой могла быть реакция "великих держав" на передачу Австрией вооружения и кораблей с "инструкторами": 1. Китаю в феврале 1894 года и получение Формозы в "аренду"\концессию? 2. Испании в начале января 1898 года и получение о. Катандуанес в "аренду"? 3. России в ноябре 1903 года и получение права на развитие района порта Дальний?
von Echenbach: Продолжение т. ск.-ь... : А если австрияки применят спаренные палубные установки 90 (88)-мм? На ЭМ: а) 2х2 90 и 2х3та, б) 3х2 90 и 2-3х3 та (на основе Татры) к 1915... КРЛг - 8-10х2 90-мм и 2-4х3 та (на основе Новары). И аи- Санкт-Георг - предлагайте проекты. И "Тегетгофы" могли быть... И конечно - аи-Лохнеры с двумя моторами (в проектах) и автожиры (пусть автором будет отец или дед испанца... :-)) ) - с автоматом перекоса и различным числом двигателей. Понятно, что при двигателе вращения винта горизонтального - аппарат приближается к термину "вертолёт"/геликоптер, но в АИ - всёж-таки он будет автожиром. Аутогироскорий - сам жир :-)
von Echenbach: "Скорректированные" проекты: 1) лидера-скаута: 3000 т. 27 уз, 3х2 120/45, 6-8 66, 3х2 та, б -50, п -25. аи "Зента", laid down 1911, Displacement: 2 520 t light; 2 613 t standard; 2 801 t normal; 2 952 t full load - 6-7 ед; Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (376,51 ft / 364,17 ft) x 42,65 ft x (13,12 / 13,64 ft) (114,76 m / 111,00 m) x 13,00 m x (4,00 / 4,16 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 390 lbs / 177 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,913 t each, 3,651 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,913 t each, 1,825 t total In 1 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 305,12 ft / 93,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 52,49 ft / 16,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 129% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,98" / 25 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 24 059 shp / 17 948 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 2 400nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 338 tons (33% coal) Complement: 192 - 250 Cost: £0,263 million / $1,051 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 118 tons, 4,2% - Guns: 107 tons, 3,8% - Weapons: 11 tons, 0,4% Armour: 489 tons, 17,5% - Belts: 209 tons, 7,5% - Armament: 101 tons, 3,6% - Armour Deck: 170 tons, 6,1% - Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 002 tons, 35,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 910 tons, 32,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 282 tons, 10,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 056 lbs / 932 Kg = 39,0 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26 Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 12,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,30 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,481 / 0,488 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,54 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,17 ft / 4,62 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132,0% Waterplane Area: 10 174 Square feet or 945 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 58 lbs/sq ft or 284 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,78 - Longitudinal: 1,70 - Overall: 0,84 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room 2) аи "Санкт-Георг" 7000 т, 27 уз, 3х2 240/45, 8 66, 2х2 та, б -100, п - 50 или 37- 3 ед. - laid down 1910 Displacement: 6 052 t light; 6 347 t standard; 6 637 t normal; 6 868 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (446,80 ft / 429,79 ft) x 55,77 ft x (18,04 / 18,52 ft) (136,19 m / 131,00 m) x 17,00 m x (5,50 / 5,64 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 45,0 cal guns - 425,39lbs / 192,95kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 2 623 lbs / 1 190 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,909 t each, 3,635 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,02" / 102 mm 288,71 ft / 88,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 42,65 ft / 13,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 103% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,01" / 51 mm 5,98" / 152 mm 2nd: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,46" / 37 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 33 676 shp / 25 122 Kw = 27,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 521 tons (33% coal) Complement: 366 - 477 Cost: £0,655 million / $2,620 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 731 tons, 11,0% - Guns: 724 tons, 10,9% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 304 tons, 19,6% - Belts: 427 tons, 6,4% - Armament: 407 tons, 6,1% - Armour Deck: 434 tons, 6,5% - Conning Tower: 36 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 435 tons, 21,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 583 tons, 38,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 584 tons, 8,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 7 444 lbs / 3 377 Kg = 17,6 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 2,3 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 15,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,01 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,537 / 0,542 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 27,23 ft / 8,30 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m, 20,67 ft / 6,30 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,61 ft / 5,67 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 103,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 158,6% Waterplane Area: 17 201 Square feet or 1 598 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,91 - Longitudinal: 2,33 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Вновь "колебания" по поводу выбора проекта ;-)) аи-суперГельголанд 4х1 190/42 аи - 6-8/4-6 выстр/мин (111 кг снаряд), 12 66, 4 - 2х2 та, 1-3 гидросамолета. - или взять 4х4 120/45 аи (8-12 выстр/мин, 32 кг снаряд) или 6х2 100/50? laid down 1911, Displacement: 3 393 t light; 3 545 t standard; 3 758 t normal; 3 928 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (418,92 ft / 403,54 ft) x 45,93 ft x (14,11 / 14,58 ft) (127,69 m / 123,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,30 / 4,44 m) Armament: 4 - 7,48" / 190 mm 42,0 cal guns - 202,94lbs / 92,05kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 918 lbs / 416 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,913 t each, 3,651 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 125% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,50" / 38 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 26 641 shp / 19 874 Kw = 27,30 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 383 tons (33% coal) Complement: 239 - 311 Cost: £0,351 million / $1,406 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 242 tons, 6,4% - Guns: 235 tons, 6,2% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,2% Armour: 722 tons, 19,2% - Belts: 273 tons, 7,3% - Armament: 108 tons, 2,9% - Armour Deck: 330 tons, 8,8% - Conning Tower: 10 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 115 tons, 29,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 315 tons, 35,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 365 tons, 9,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 507 lbs / 1 591 Kg = 16,8 x 7,5 " / 190 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 12,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,503 / 0,509 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,79 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,68 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 25,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,05 ft / 4,59 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 115,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 143,7% Waterplane Area: 12 681 Square feet or 1 178 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 364 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,89 - Longitudinal: 1,54 - Overall: 0,94 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: аи-проект "экономный импортный" - для Голландии, Греции, Испании, Аргентины\Чили, Китая и Турции + и на конкурс аи - для России. аи-Радецкий: laid down 1908, Displacement: 13 273 t light; 14 091 t standard; 14 533 t normal; 14 886 t full load + ПТЗ можно добавить ещё. Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (473,79 ft / 459,32 ft) x 75,46 ft x (22,97 / 23,44 ft) (144,41 m / 140,00 m) x 23,00 m x (7,00 / 7,14 m) Armament: 9 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 6 - 2,60" / 66,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,85lbs / 4,01kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 8 336 lbs / 3 781 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 3,94" / 100 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 32,81 ft / 10,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 99% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 13,0" / 330 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 14,2" / 360 mm 2nd: 0,91" / 23 mm 0,47" / 12 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,56" / 65 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 11,81" / 300 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29 712 shp / 22 165 Kw = 22,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 795 tons (60% coal) Complement: 661 - 860 Cost: £1,443 million / $5,773 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 801 tons, 12,4% - Guns: 1 801 tons, 12,4% Armour: 4 839 tons, 33,3% - Belts: 2 079 tons, 14,3% - Armament: 1 463 tons, 10,1% - Armour Deck: 1 146 tons, 7,9% - Conning Tower: 152 tons, 1,0% Machinery: 1 587 tons, 10,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 006 tons, 34,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 260 tons, 8,7% Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 0,3% - Hull below water: 10 tons - Hull above water: 15 tons - On freeboard deck: 10 tons - Above deck: 5 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 16 899 lbs / 7 665 Kg = 19,5 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 3,9 ft / 1,2 m Roll period: 16,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,639 / 0,641 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,09 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,43 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 46,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 16,67 ft / 5,08 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124,2% Waterplane Area: 26 284 Square feet or 2 442 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95% Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 791 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,92 - Longitudinal: 1,98 - Overall: 1,00 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
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