Итальянская партия

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von Echenbach: Тайм-лайн пока непонятный. 20 ! -30-е годы 20 века. Идея "Mare Nostrum" и сомнения в доктрине авиационного наступления Дуэ, отказ от союза с Германией... аи Литторио - без "сомнительной системы Пульезе* и с универсальными спаренными АУ - 100/46/2-ОТО (стабилизированные, из 90-мм зениток Австро-Венгрии и Италии (90 mm/50 (3.5") OTO Model 1939) с генезисом от Минизини и Бофорса. Т.е. - 12х2=24 100-мм ствола (110-мм - ?), автомат -?, 22 в/мин. (http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12.htm) *- возможно сохранение локальных внутренних труб во внешних отсеках ПТЗ/булях. Були - интегрированные в корпус, фактически: наружные вынесенные отсеки. Ebonit moos в качестве наполнителя ряда отсеков. СК 152мм - отсутствует. ГК - 381-мм/48, m снаряда - 1020 кг, 820 м/с, 2 в/мин. 3 типа РЛС: навигационная (надводная), артиллерийская - целевая, воздушная/ПВО. Изменены проекты МН и некоторых ЭМ - в сторону ПЛО и ПВО, Модернизированы ЛгКР т. "Банде Нере" (2х2 8" в корме и 8х2 100/46), "Капитано романи" (8х2 100/46). Миноносцы типа аи-Спика: 3х2 100/46. ПЛ, ТКА - ? Авиакрейсера - ? (введение в строй/появление класса можно объяснить слабостью подготовки сухопутных авиаторов и неуверенностью в быстром появлении самолетов над эскадрой при необходимости. Возможность посадки на береговых аэродромах и замена колесных аппаратов на летающие лодки и поплавковые. Бартини - ??) Ваши проекты, коллеги!? И предложения-критика?

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von Echenbach: Возможно, в развитии идей/тактики применения авианосных корабельных сил и развитии техники и комплектации по типам ударные/разведывательные/оборонительные (условно, т.к. все подвиды можно применять в различных специализациях экипажей и, возможно - с несколько меньшим эффектом от ожидаемого - реакция исполнения) будет работать т.н. "логика вещей" (событий, допустимых технологий, категорий). В первую очередь "логика вещей" будет сообразовываться с возможностями собственных ВС. Так, англичане будут стремиться к развитию ударных и разведывательных сил, а германцы - разведывательных и оборонительных - относительно гипотетических палубных аппаратов. P.S.: примеры могут оказаться спорными.

von Echenbach: Интересная, и - м.б. несколько более ранняя идея в этой теме: С подачи ув. СЕЖ с АИ http://alternathistory.com/prodaem-i-stroim-a-mozhet-i-pomogaem/ - Строим и продаем. Союз Турции и Японии. Против Италии и России на Средиземном и м.б. - на Черном море. Если аи разрешат англы и янки. Возможности перестраивать корабли для турок, перед угрозой пришествия японцев в СРЗМ окрепнет союз Австро-Венгрии и Италии.

von Echenbach: Итальянский авианосец аи - тип "кондотиери" в основе, снижена скорость до 33-34 уз. дальность. Позиционировался как быстроходный авиатранспорт. При достройке установлена сплошная полётная палуба, имеет два лифта и двух-уровневый ангар (верхний - полуоткрытый, размещено 6 ИБ-пикировщиков, в нижнем - 15 \ 6 ИБ, 9 ЛгТБ в сложенном виде\, 3 Р - на верхней палубе. Всего 24). Носовая катапульта. Вито Корлеоне + 2 из КРЛг переделаны. laid down 1932 Displacement: 5 273 t light; 5 453 t standard; 5 761 t normal; 6 006 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (443,95 ft / 416,67 ft) x 52,49 ft x (16,40 / 16,94 ft) (135,32 m / 127,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,00 / 5,16 m) Armament: 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 300 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 379 lbs / 172 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,997 t each, 5,980 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 55,77 ft / 17,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 93% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,00" / 0 mm, Aft 1,57" / 40 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 72 342 shp / 53 967 Kw = 33,00 kts Range 2 400nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 555 tons Complement: 329 - 429 Cost: £2,282 million / $9,127 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 86 tons, 1,5% - Guns: 74 tons, 1,3% - Weapons: 12 tons, 0,2% Armour: 461 tons, 8,0% - Belts: 166 tons, 2,9% - Armament: 18 tons, 0,3% - Armour Deck: 266 tons, 4,6% - Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 2 135 tons, 37,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 791 tons, 31,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 488 tons, 8,5% Miscellaneous weights: 800 tons, 13,9% - Hull below water: 600 tons - Hull above water: 160 tons - On freeboard deck: 40 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 253 lbs / 1 929 Kg = 39,4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,41 Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 11,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,07 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,562 / 0,567 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,94 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,56 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 28,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 40,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 27,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 22,59 ft / 6,88 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 202,5% Waterplane Area: 16 076 Square feet or 1 493 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101% Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 314 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,74 - Longitudinal: 3,21 - Overall: 0,85 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: Попытка №22 по развитию флота аи-Италии с ... 1908 года. Алигьери, Кавур, Винчи - реалЪ, Дориа, Дуилио, Юлий - по 4х2 356/45 (Виккерс помогает, под витанием идей у Японии). Франческо Морозини, Маркантонио Колонна, Дондоло - в качестве легких-линейных крейсеров (2-3 шт) с 3х2 356/45 и 12 120/25, борт - 120, палуба - 51, 28 уз - 60000 лс, 15-16 000 т. laid down 1912, Displacement: 13 816 t light; 14 705 t standard; 15 426 t normal; 16 002 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (588,76 ft / 570,87 ft) x 78,74 ft x (22,97 / 23,60 ft) (179,45 m / 174,00 m) x 24,00 m x (7,00 / 7,19 m) Armament: 6 - 14,02" / 356 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 388,37lbs / 629,75kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 190 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 9 022 lbs / 4 092 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 364,17 ft / 111,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,48" / 63 mm 183,73 ft / 56,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 22,97 ft / 7,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 98% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 0,63" / 16 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,01" / 51 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 1,26" / 32 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,02" / 102 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 58 944 shp / 43 972 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 297 tons Complement: 691 - 899 Cost: £1,623 million / $6,491 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 853 tons, 12,0% - Guns: 1 853 tons, 12,0% Armour: 2 914 tons, 18,9% - Belts: 949 tons, 6,1% - Armament: 818 tons, 5,3% - Armour Deck: 1 094 tons, 7,1% - Conning Tower: 54 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 2 350 tons, 15,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 598 tons, 42,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 610 tons, 10,4% Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,6% - Hull below water: 70 tons - Hull above water: 20 tons - On freeboard deck: 10 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 17 898 lbs / 8 118 Kg = 13,0 x 14,0 " / 356 mm shells or 2,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15 Metacentric height 4,6 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 15,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,523 / 0,528 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 27,93 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m - Aft deck: 24,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,54 ft / 5,96 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,8% Waterplane Area: 31 827 Square feet or 2 957 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100% Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 819 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,93 - Longitudinal: 1,84 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Скауты: 3 (3200-4000т, 32 уз, 6-8 120/45, борт-палуба 40, 4-6х2 та) // - итальянская версия японского "Тенрю" или второе появление "эльсвиков" ;-) - аи первая генерация скаутов (происходила отработка схем ГЭУ) и артиллерии - 3 шт: ??? по провинциям? laid down 1909, Displacement: 2 635 t light; 2 751 t standard; 3 006 t normal; 3 210 t full load, линейно 6 152/49, 32 уз. Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (434,07 ft / 419,95 ft) x 36,09 ft x (13,12 / 13,78 ft) (132,30 m / 128,00 m) x 11,00 m x (4,00 / 4,20 m) Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 40,0 cal guns - 102,70lbs / 46,58kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model 3 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 3 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 1 raised mount aft 4 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1909 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 670 lbs / 304 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,905 t each, 7,237 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 321,52 ft / 98,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 0,71" / 18 mm 72,18 ft / 22,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 26,25 ft / 8,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 118% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 40 262 shp / 30 035 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 459 tons Complement: 202 - 263 Cost: £0,343 million / $1,371 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 118 tons, 3,9% - Guns: 104 tons, 3,4% - Weapons: 14 tons, 0,5% Armour: 383 tons, 12,7% - Belts: 142 tons, 4,7% - Armament: 12 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 221 tons, 7,4% - Conning Tower: 7 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 584 tons, 52,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 550 tons, 18,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 371 tons, 12,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 735 lbs / 333 Kg = 6,9 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,51 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 10,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,33 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,04 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,529 / 0,538 Length to Beam Ratio: 11,64 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,05 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 27,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,70 ft / 4,48 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142,0% Waterplane Area: 10 792 Square feet or 1 003 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 70% Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 157 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,49 - Longitudinal: 0,92 - Overall: 0,52 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room , Лидеры: 6 (2000-1600 т, 3-5 152 - 6-7 120 - 10-12 100 + 3-4х2 та), ЭМ: 18 ? (800-900 т, 32-34 уз, 3х2 та, 3 120 - 6 100). ПЛ - 12+-, ТКа - 12+24. КЛ - ? Мониторы - 6 (1200 т, 14 уз, 4 12" /14", 4 120). Гидроавиакрейсеры - 3 (Имперо, Рома, Аквила): 4000 т, 28 уз, 8 120, 18-24 ГС, борт, палуба - 32. Катапульта. Ваши версии - ?

von Echenbach: 2-3-4 "лёгких" крейсера итальянскому аи-флоту могут не помешать: Венеция, Генуя, Ломбардия, Мессина - аи по Миоко-Зара ассоциациям. laid down 1910, Displacement: 6 157 t light; 6 476 t standard; 6 911 t normal; 7 259 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (522,95 ft / 501,97 ft) x 55,77 ft x (18,70 / 19,35 ft) (159,40 m / 153,00 m) x 17,00 m x (5,70 / 5,90 m) Armament: 10 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 raised mounts 8 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 2 682 lbs / 1 217 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,909 t each, 3,635 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 374,02 ft / 114,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 115% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 3,15" / 80 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,94" / 24 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,15" / 80 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 41 412 shp / 30 893 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 15,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 784 tons Complement: 378 - 492 Cost: £0,702 million / $2,808 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 749 tons, 10,8% - Guns: 742 tons, 10,7% - Weapons: 7 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 004 tons, 14,5% - Belts: 294 tons, 4,2% - Armament: 270 tons, 3,9% - Armour Deck: 415 tons, 6,0% - Conning Tower: 25 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 711 tons, 24,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 692 tons, 39,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 754 tons, 10,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 228 lbs / 2 825 Kg = 24,4 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08 Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 15,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,462 / 0,469 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,91 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 33,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 34,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 16,49 ft / 5,03 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144,3% Waterplane Area: 18 742 Square feet or 1 741 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 110 lbs/sq ft or 535 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,62 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: 1880-е... Попытка усилить флот малыми броненосными крейсерами, проект развился под влиянием "эльсвиков" (Джиованни Бусан") и "Память Азова"/"Баярд". 5000 т, 8000 лс -2 винта- 18-19 уз, 6 10"/30 (4 в казематах длинного полубака) и 6 4,7"/35, борт 4", палуба 1,7"-1". "Этна" (+3): laid down 1886, Displacement: 3 887 t light; 4 117 t standard; 4 654 t normal; 5 084 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (331,36 ft / 314,96 ft) x 45,93 ft x (19,69 / 21,14 ft) (101,00 m / 96,00 m) x 14,00 m x (6,00 / 6,44 m) Armament: 6 - 10,00" / 254 mm 30,0 cal guns - 446,82lbs / 202,68kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 8 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 47,93lbs / 21,74kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 3 064 lbs / 1 390 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,252 t each, 0,503 t total submerged bow & stern tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,02" / 102 mm 252,62 ft / 77,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 123% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 2,99" / 76 mm 1,26" / 32 mm - 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,01" / 51 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 580 ihp / 5 655 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 967 tons (100% coal) Complement: 281 - 366 Cost: £0,438 million / $1,752 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 308 tons, 6,6% - Guns: 307 tons, 6,6% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 822 tons, 17,7% - Belts: 412 tons, 8,8% - Armament: 114 tons, 2,4% - Armour Deck: 285 tons, 6,1% - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 457 tons, 31,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 299 tons, 27,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 767 tons, 16,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 503 lbs / 1 589 Kg = 7,5 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 4,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,57 Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 10,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 99 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,61 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,98 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,572 / 0,582 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,86 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,75 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 12,14 ft / 3,70 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,39 ft / 4,69 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102,7% Waterplane Area: 10 307 Square feet or 958 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100% Structure weight / hull surface area: 86 lbs/sq ft or 419 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,89 - Longitudinal: 2,82 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

von Echenbach: Итальянский ответ на минные крейсера Франции (и КР 3 кл) и Австро-Венгрии - Легкие разведчики типа "Ломбардия", 4-6 ед. laid down 1888, Displacement: 1 885 t light; 1 954 t standard; 2 101 t normal; 2 220 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (313,92 ft / 301,84 ft) x 36,09 ft x (11,48 / 11,99 ft) (95,68 m / 92,00 m) x 11,00 m x (3,50 / 3,65 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 48,69lbs / 22,09kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 2,99lbs / 1,36kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 316 lbs / 143 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m torpedoes - 0,244 t each, 0,488 t total submerged bow & stern tubes 2nd Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m torpedoes - 0,244 t each, 0,975 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,71" / 18 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,26" / 32 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,01" / 51 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 536 ihp / 7 114 Kw = 22,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 266 tons (100% coal) Complement: 154 - 201 Cost: £0,254 million / $1,015 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 47 tons, 2,3% - Guns: 45 tons, 2,1% - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,1% Armour: 197 tons, 9,4% - Armament: 12 tons, 0,6% - Armour Deck: 178 tons, 8,5% - Conning Tower: 7 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 255 tons, 59,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 387 tons, 18,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 216 tons, 10,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 473 lbs / 215 Kg = 9,3 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 1,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,93 Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 8,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,08 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,38 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,588 / 0,595 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,36 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,92 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Average freeboard: 12,56 ft / 3,83 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 201,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,6% Waterplane Area: 8 209 Square feet or 763 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 54% Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 160 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,54 - Longitudinal: 0,97 - Overall: 0,58 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

von Echenbach: Ещё одна версия развития итальянского флота после 1 МВ: Принят принцип "единообразия": 1927 - первая серия ЛгКР-скаутов - 4 ед, 4000 т; 35 уз; 3х2 152; 6х2 76; 2х2 ТА, 4-6 37; Б, П -40. Вторая серия - 4 ед - 1932, Третья серия - 4 ед - 1935. laid down 1927 Displacement: 4 017 t light; 4 193 t standard; 4 403 t normal; 4 571 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (492,45 ft / 472,44 ft) x 45,93 ft x (14,76 / 15,16 ft) (150,10 m / 144,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,50 / 4,62 m) Armament: 6 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1927 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1927 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 810 lbs / 368 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 0,977 t each, 3,907 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 85% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,47" / 12 mm Quarter deck: 0,71" / 18 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,57" / 40 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 60 747 shp / 45 317 Kw = 34,00 kts Range 2 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 378 tons Complement: 269 - 351 Cost: £1,726 million / $6,903 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 226 tons, 5,1% - Guns: 218 tons, 4,9% - Weapons: 8 tons, 0,2% Armour: 474 tons, 10,8% - Belts: 142 tons, 3,2% - Armament: 77 tons, 1,8% - Armour Deck: 245 tons, 5,6% - Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 890 tons, 42,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 428 tons, 32,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 385 tons, 8,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 032 lbs / 921 Kg = 19,0 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,12 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a straight bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,481 / 0,486 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,29 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,81 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 36,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 33,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Average freeboard: 19,02 ft / 5,80 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 154,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 186,5% Waterplane Area: 14 775 Square feet or 1 373 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89% Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 288 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,66 - Longitudinal: 1,82 - Overall: 0,73 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room 1931 год - тип "Спика", начало строительства миноносцев в 580 т, 33 уз, 3 100, 4 37, 2х2 та, Р и П КМО - 12. По 4 ед в течение 6 лет, всего 24. laid down 1931 Displacement: 558 t light; 580 t standard; 601 t normal; 619 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (245,42 ft / 232,94 ft) x 21,65 ft x (9,84 / 10,03 ft) (74,80 m / 71,00 m) x 6,60 m x (3,00 / 3,06 m) Armament: 3 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 1 x Single mount on sides, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1931 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 99 lbs / 45 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,069 t each, 4,275 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 97,00 lbs / 44,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 0,866 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,24" / 6 mm 0,16" / 4 mm - 2nd: 0,16" / 4 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18 581 shp / 13 861 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 39 tons Complement: 59 - 78 Cost: £0,293 million / $1,173 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 30 tons, 4,9% - Guns: 20 tons, 3,3% - Weapons: 10 tons, 1,6% Armour: 29 tons, 4,8% - Armament: 5 tons, 0,8% - Armour Deck: 23 tons, 3,9% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 306 tons, 50,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 194 tons, 32,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 43 tons, 7,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 180 lbs / 81 Kg = 5,9 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m Roll period: 11,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,47 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,424 / 0,428 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,76 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,49 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 74 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 15,09 ft / 4,60 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Average freeboard: 13,11 ft / 4,00 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98,9% Waterplane Area: 3 274 Square feet or 304 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 51% Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 112 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,45 - Longitudinal: 5,98 - Overall: 0,58 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Displacement: 558 t light; 580 t standard; 601 t normal; 619 t full load 1933 - начато строительство ЭМ типа "Мистрале": 1800 т, 35 уз, 3х2 120, 3х2 76, 4 37. 3х3 ТА; Б, Р, П - 12. По 6 ед в течение 6 лет - всего 36. laid down 1933 Displacement: 1 832 t light; 1 928 t standard; 2 007 t normal; 2 070 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (418,92 ft / 403,54 ft) x 39,37 ft x (11,48 / 11,70 ft) (127,69 m / 123,00 m) x 12,00 m x (3,50 / 3,57 m) Armament: 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 400 lbs / 181 kg Main Torpedoes 9 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,335 t each, 12,011 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 97,00 lbs / 44,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,433 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 75% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 41 980 shp / 31 317 Kw = 35,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 143 tons Complement: 149 - 194 Cost: £1,066 million / $4,264 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 97 tons, 4,8% - Guns: 72 tons, 3,6% - Weapons: 25 tons, 1,2% Armour: 111 tons, 5,5% - Belts: 26 tons, 1,3% - Armament: 11 tons, 0,5% - Armour Deck: 72 tons, 3,6% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 015 tons, 50,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 609 tons, 30,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 175 tons, 8,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 723 lbs / 328 Kg = 13,7 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 11,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,23 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,16 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,385 / 0,390 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,24 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,67 ft / 5,08 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157,2% Waterplane Area: 10 051 Square feet or 934 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73% Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 175 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,49 - Longitudinal: 1,78 - Overall: 0,56 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room 1936 - начато строительство сверхлегких линейных крейсеров, как ответ на "Дюнкерк" и множество "вашингтонских" крейсеров. Старые корабли (4 ед) формально выводятся их состава флота и "Разоружаются" (капремонт с заменой артиллерии). 6 ед - 15000 т, 30 уз, 3х2 381, 6х2 100, Б, 140, п - 60. Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1936 Displacement: 14 594 t light; 15 534 t standard; 16 057 t normal; 16 475 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (633,20 ft / 610,24 ft) x 88,58 ft x (22,31 / 22,71 ft) (193,00 m / 186,00 m) x 27,00 m x (6,80 / 6,92 m) Armament: 6 - 15,00" / 381 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 701,89lbs / 771,96kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 60 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 10 593 lbs / 4 805 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 314,96 ft / 96,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 98,43 ft / 30,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 79% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 66 084 shp / 49 299 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 941 tons Complement: 713 - 927 Cost: £9,180 million / $36,720 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 146 tons, 13,4% - Guns: 2 146 tons, 13,4% Armour: 2 770 tons, 17,2% - Belts: 775 tons, 4,8% - Armament: 726 tons, 4,5% - Armour Deck: 1 220 tons, 7,6% - Conning Tower: 49 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 854 tons, 11,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 824 tons, 48,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 463 tons, 9,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 20 863 lbs / 9 463 Kg = 12,4 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17 Metacentric height 5,6 ft / 1,7 m Roll period: 15,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,81 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,14 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,466 / 0,470 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,89 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 29,24 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 36,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Average freeboard: 22,10 ft / 6,74 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 202,5% Waterplane Area: 36 314 Square feet or 3 374 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102% Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 864 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,87 - Longitudinal: 2,03 - Overall: 0,94 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room + 2+2 тяжелых крейсера т. "Зара" в 1930-32 гг. (м.б. с 3х2 8") Данные из аи-официальных источников. АИ-фактические могли отличаться на 5-15% по ТТХ. ПЛ - ? + 3 авиакрейсера (несут по 12 гидро-истребителей и 6 гидро-торпедоносцев-разведчиков. аи Авиаторпеды: 1. Лг - 600 кг, 450-мм, 4,5 м, БЧ - 120 кг, Дальность 5 каб-55 уз, 15 каб - 30 уз. 2. Тяжелые: 1200 кг, 533-мм, 6 м, БЧ - 300 кг, дальность: 6 каб - 50 уз, 40 каб - 35 уз.

von Echenbach: аи-модернизация ЛК "Конте ди Кавур". 1934 г. начало работ, под прикрытием строительства ЛгЛнКР (15000т, 31 уз, 3х2 356) "Кавуры" формально разоружаются и начинают разбираться. После объявлений о закладке в других странах ЛК итальянцы "решают" вернуть ЛК на службу, но в обновлённом виде: немного удлиняют носовую часть, меняют КМУ на турбоэлектрическую (107 КЛС с 4 валами против реальных модернизированных 91 КЛ с двумя валами). Були. Артиллерию ГК заказали в Англии - 356/45-50 по типу испанского заказа на основе "Конго" или "Куин Элизабет". 3х3 линейно, центральная башня сохранена и замещены пары башен в оконечностях. УК в 16 (8х2) 100-мм. "Конте ди Кавур" аи-модернизация, laid down 1936, Displacement: 26 780 t light; 28 373 t standard; 29 073 t normal; 29 632 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (607,69 ft / 583,99 ft) x 91,86 ft (Bulges 111,55 ft) x (29,53 / 30,06 ft) (185,22 m / 178,00 m) x 28,00 m (Bulges 34,00 m) x (9,00 / 9,16 m) Armament: 9 - 15,00" / 381 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 701,89lbs / 771,96kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft 16 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 1,71lbs / 0,78kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 15 823 lbs / 7 177 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 367,45 ft / 112,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 19,69 ft / 6,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 97% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 5,51" / 140 mm 11,0" / 280 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric motors, 4 shafts, 107 020 shp / 79 837 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 260 tons Complement: 1 113 - 1 447 Cost: £14,821 million / $59,283 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 3 208 tons, 11,0% - Guns: 3 208 tons, 11,0% Armour: 7 166 tons, 24,6% - Belts: 1 914 tons, 6,6% - Armament: 2 230 tons, 7,7% - Armour Deck: 2 862 tons, 9,8% - Conning Tower: 160 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 3 003 tons, 10,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 13 404 tons, 46,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 292 tons, 7,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 38 816 lbs / 17 607 Kg = 23,0 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 4,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31 Metacentric height 7,2 ft / 2,2 m Roll period: 17,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,529 / 0,530 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,24 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,17 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 36,09 ft / 11,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Forward deck: 38,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m - Aft deck: 27,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 21,00 ft / 6,40 m - Average freeboard: 24,38 ft / 7,43 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147,8% Waterplane Area: 36 712 Square feet or 3 411 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108% Structure weight / hull surface area: 258 lbs/sq ft or 1 262 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,15 - Longitudinal: 3,12 - Overall: 1,27 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room P.S.: Если кто встречал варианты аи-модернизации "Кавуров"-"Юлиев", поделитесь пожалуйста. :-)

von Echenbach: Аи-броненосцы "итальянского" образа: под влиянием плана перевооружения "Кавуров" на 9 381/45 и призрака "Дюнкерков" на фоне "Шеера" развился проект итальянских почти карманных линкоров: 2х3 381 (унификация систем ГК и УК. Учитывая, что проект получался несколько "ослабленным" по прочности корпуса, предполагалось применять такие корабли преимущественно против КР в коротких набеговых операциях и для возможности противостоять "Дюнкеркам" в случае встречи с ними. ЛгЛнКР аи-Аффондаторе (6 ед из "договорного тоннажа на ЛК новые, ещё остаётся 35 000 т - на 3 ЛгАВ по 12 000 т): 1934, Displacement: 15 338 t light; 16 427 t standard; 16 941 t normal; 17 352 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (650,41 ft / 626,64 ft) x 85,30 ft x (22,97 / 23,36 ft) (198,24 m / 191,00 m) x 26,00 m x (7,00 / 7,12 m) Armament: 6 - 15,00" / 381 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1 701,89lbs / 771,96kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, aft deck centre 1 raised mount aft 20 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 350 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 12 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1934 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 10 845 lbs / 4 919 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,005 t each, 4,019 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 393,70 ft / 120,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: 1,42" / 36 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 36,09 ft / 11,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 97% of normal length Main Belt inclined 19,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 8,66" / 220 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,59" / 15 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 2,99" / 76 mm Forecastle: 1,42" / 36 mm Quarter deck: 1,42" / 36 mm - Conning towers: Forward 8,66" / 220 mm, Aft 1,42" / 36 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 77 676 shp / 57 946 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 925 tons Complement: 742 - 965 Cost: £8,997 million / $35,987 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 204 tons, 13,0% - Guns: 2 196 tons, 13,0% - Weapons: 8 tons, 0,0% Armour: 5 294 tons, 31,2% - Belts: 2 053 tons, 12,1% - Armament: 1 229 tons, 7,3% - Armour Deck: 1 868 tons, 11,0% - Conning Towers: 143 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 2 235 tons, 13,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 606 tons, 33,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 603 tons, 9,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13 583 lbs / 6 161 Kg = 8,0 x 15,0 " / 381 mm shells or 2,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 4,7 ft / 1,4 m Roll period: 16,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,483 / 0,486 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,35 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 29,38 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 32,81 ft / 10,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 46,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 21,53 ft / 6,56 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 96,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 192,6% Waterplane Area: 36 460 Square feet or 3 387 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89% Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 638 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,60 - Longitudinal: 1,31 - Overall: 0,65 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: Вопрос, кто в интересантах если: откуда если пошли итальянские трехорудийные башни? Просьба поделиться знаниями. аи-итальянские линейные крейсера, по 2: 1. 3х2 305 (первая пара - Амальфи с 254), 2. 2х3 305 (влияние Центурион, Триумф, Цукуба), 3.3х3 305 (влияние проекта Ансальдо /реал 2х3 и центральная с 1х2 12") для Испании с аи3х3 12").

Dampir: В 1905 году капитан 1 ранга Умберто Каньи и полковник Корпуса корабельных инженеров Эдоардо Феррати высказали идею трёхорудийной башни, сулящей немалые преимущества по сравнению с общепринятыми в то время двухорудийными. Итальянские 305-мм орудия длиной 46 калибров модели "Т" 1909 года являлись разработкой английской фирмы "Armstrong" и изготавливались на ее дочернем предприятии а Поццуоли под Неаполем. Подобные же орудия изготавливались по проекту фирмы "Vickers" (модель "G") заводом в Терни. Их поставка запоздала почти на год, относительно срока установленного контрактом.

von Echenbach: АИ вариант итальянского ЭМ ПВО: 1200-1500 т, 30 уз, 1800 миль на 14 уз, 4х2 100/45, 4 37-мм, 3-7 13-20-мм, 2-3х3 та. В составе эскортной миноносной группы при ЛК или КР. Например: 1 ЛК, 1 КР лг \ аи-ПВО + 2 ЭМ, 2 ЭМ аи ПВО, 2-4-6 МН как отряд прикрытия нескольких крейсерских дивизий с соответствующим эскортом. Т.е. формируется оперативная тактическая эскадра/группа. аи "Кварто"-2 (16 аи ед): laid down 1933, Displacement: 1 052 t light; 1 102 t standard; 1 147 t normal; 1 183 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (279,87 ft / 269,03 ft) x 27,89 ft x (11,48 / 11,73 ft) (85,30 m / 82,00 m) x 8,50 m x (3,50 / 3,58 m) Armament: 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 190 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1933 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 252 lbs / 114 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,001 t each, 6,004 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 92,59 lbs / 42,00 kg Depth Charges + 12 reloads - 0,579 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,31" / 8 mm - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,47" / 12 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 20 346 shp / 15 178 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons Complement: 98 - 128 Cost: £0,585 million / $2,342 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 62 tons, 5,4% - Guns: 50 tons, 4,3% - Weapons: 13 tons, 1,1% Armour: 13 tons, 1,1% - Armament: 12 tons, 1,0% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 533 tons, 46,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 444 tons, 38,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 95 tons, 8,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 573 lbs / 260 Kg = 18,8 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16 Metacentric height 1,0 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 11,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,47 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,466 / 0,470 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,65 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,85 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,34 ft / 4,37 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108,5% Waterplane Area: 5 040 Square feet or 468 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87% Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 204 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,72 - Longitudinal: 5,36 - Overall: 0,89 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: Небольшая проблема аи-проекта супер-ЭМ ПВО, почти фен-шуй: в корпус "навигатори" помещаются 6х2 100-мм (кормовые и средние - линейно-возвышенно), носовые - линейно. НО - эстетически "не очень", а лин-возв. в нос ставить нет желания. М.б. у коллег какие-либо идеи появятся? Носовые - побортно, как на лидерах 1 МВ? - Также, как и в схему ЭМ т. "Муцуки": кормовые в виде "пирамиды" или перенести 3 и 4 установки к кормовой трубе с перестановкой носового та в корму. Немного можно увеличить корпус. А для"Татибан" и "Спик" предусмотреть були - даже при потере скорости до 28-31 уз. С увеличением дальности и мореходности-остойчивости. с проектных 600т (факт. 700-800 т) до 900-1200 т. И 3х2 100 (поначалу японцы 127-мм ГК попытаются поставить ).

von Echenbach: Попытка, несколько не вполне удачная, создать/предвосхитить проект "Навигаторе" в аи-"Импавидо" - диспропорции в осадке и высоте борта для достижения "мореходности" в трактовании шарпия... аи-Импавидо, аи-Италия Enter ship type laid down 1913, Displacement: 675 t light; 696 t standard; 721 t normal; 741 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (248,50 ft / 236,22 ft) x 30,84 ft x (9,19 / 9,34 ft) (75,74 m / 72,00 m) x 9,40 m x (2,80 / 2,85 m) Armament: 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 12,84lbs / 5,82kg shells, 150 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,56lbs / 0,71kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 80 lbs / 36 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,783 t each, 4,695 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 14 660 shp / 10 936 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 900nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 45 tons Complement: 69 - 90 Cost: £0,087 million / $0,348 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 24 tons, 3,4% - Guns: 15 tons, 2,1% - Weapons: 9 tons, 1,3% Armour: 1 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 376 tons, 52,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 274 tons, 38,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 46 tons, 6,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 343 lbs / 156 Kg = 25,6 x 3,0 " / 76 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38 Metacentric height 1,5 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 10,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,03 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,377 / 0,381 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,66 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,89 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 18,70 ft / 5,70 m, 15,75 ft / 4,80 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 15,75 ft / 4,80 m, 15,75 ft / 4,80 m - Aft deck: 44,00%, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,79 ft / 4,20 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 173,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111,1% Waterplane Area: 4 518 Square feet or 420 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 61% Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 158 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,59 - Longitudinal: 4,57 - Overall: 0,72 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: аи-проект супер-эльсвикского крейсера для Италии-аи. С 6 240 (254) / 32 можно перевооружить на 6 203/40. аи"Калабриа": laid down 1892, Displacement: 2 707 t light; 2 914 t standard; 3 081 t normal; 3 213 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (321,52 ft / 308,40 ft) x 45,93 ft x (13,12 / 13,58 ft) (98,00 m / 94,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,00 / 4,14 m) Armament: 6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 32,0 cal guns - 391,31lbs / 177,49kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 28,61lbs / 12,98kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 2 691 lbs / 1 221 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,256 t each, 1,022 t total submerged bow & stern tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 239,50 ft / 73,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 119% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 641 ihp / 3 463 Kw = 17,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 299 tons (100% coal) Complement: 206 - 268 Cost: £0,301 million / $1,203 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 289 tons, 9,4% - Guns: 287 tons, 9,3% - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,1% Armour: 638 tons, 20,7% - Belts: 371 tons, 12,0% - Armament: 36 tons, 1,2% - Armour Deck: 210 tons, 6,8% - Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 820 tons, 26,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 959 tons, 31,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 374 tons, 12,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 723 lbs / 1 235 Kg = 6,5 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 3,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,62 Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 10,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,47 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,68 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,580 / 0,585 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,56 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 42,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,01 ft / 3,36 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92,5% Waterplane Area: 10 168 Square feet or 945 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97% Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 388 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,94 - Longitudinal: 1,77 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

von Echenbach: Дополнение: аи-проект таранно-торпедного лёгкого крейсера снабжения. Способен обеспечить бункеровку 3-х кр т.аи- Калабриа. Идентичный корпус и ДУ при более лёгком бронировании и вооружении. Имеет лёгкие краны-стрелы с вылетом до 10 метров подъём до 800 кг (3 армированных брезентовых жестких контейнера по 200-220 кг). В дивизии 2 кр т. аи-Калабриа и 1 кр т.аи-Этна. Всего 3-4 дивизии. аи-Этна: laid down 1892, Displacement: 2 816 t light; 2 932 t standard; 3 059 t normal; 3 162 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (321,52 ft / 308,40 ft) x 45,93 ft x (13,12 / 13,48 ft) (98,00 m / 94,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,00 / 4,11 m) Armament: 4 - 5,98" / 152 mm 35,0 cal guns - 100,47lbs / 45,57kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread Weight of broadside 648 lbs / 294 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 381 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,256 t each, 0,511 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 196,85 ft / 60,00 m 7,87 ft / 2,40 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 98% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - 2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,15" / 80 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 615 ihp / 3 443 Kw = 17,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 230 tons (100% coal) Complement: 205 - 267 Cost: £0,241 million / $0,963 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 98 tons, 3,2% - Guns: 97 tons, 3,2% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 411 tons, 13,4% - Belts: 106 tons, 3,5% - Armament: 21 tons, 0,7% - Armour Deck: 270 tons, 8,8% - Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 824 tons, 26,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 843 tons, 27,5% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 243 tons, 7,9% Miscellaneous weights: 640 tons, 20,9% - Hull below water: 640 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 825 lbs / 1 282 Kg = 26,4 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 3,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,91 Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m Roll period: 9,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,10 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,78 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,576 / 0,580 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,71 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,56 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,01 ft / 3,36 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92,6% Waterplane Area: 10 130 Square feet or 941 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104% Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 311 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,97 - Longitudinal: 1,42 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Интересно бы их "сразить"/смоделить бой с Шанзи, Котлегоном, Пегасом, Аполло, Гефионом, Ирене и Корниловым. Возможно ещё с Донским м Саксеном с Зигфридом. Французские БрБО -?

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