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von Echenbach: Версия развития, предварительная, Скандинавии при ведущей финансовой роли Дании с унией Дания-Швеция-Норвегия и Голландия. Краткая схема аи-событий: Дания-Швеция в союзе с Францией подавляют Пруссию и Голландию. Пока Англия борется с Испанией. Южная Германия с Альпами - Австрия, к Австрии отходит часть Балкан. Германия - конфедерация малых королевств с выходом к морю у Данцига. Имеется "польский" коридор. Польша разделена между Пруссией, Австрией, Швецией. Центральная Польша с Варшавой и вислинским устьем - территория собственно королевства. Ход событий с 1580 г. будет уточняться. Коллеги - прошу высказывать ваши предложения.
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von Echenbach: Просто, что бы было... проект лгкр "Стокгольм" 1932, некое "зеркало" "Исе" м "Миоко" ( в вариациях: А- 5х2, с пирамидой в корме\ Миоко альт; Б- 4х2 с двумя возвышенными в корме . Труба и мостик с мачтой разделяют арт. группы\ Исе, носовые 2х2 на одном уровне палубы полубака и разделены рубкой с трубой, В- 3-4х3). М.б. Д до 5000 т. laid down 1932 Displacement: 3 870 t light; 4 098 t standard; 4 298 t normal; 4 457 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (475,95 ft / 456,04 ft) x 45,93 ft x (14,11 / 14,49 ft) (145,07 m / 139,00 m) x 14,00 m x (4,30 / 4,42 m) Armament: 12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 50,0 cal guns - 113,44lbs / 51,45kg shells, 160 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1932 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 raised mounts 8 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft evenly spread 8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1932 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 485 lbs / 674 kg Main Torpedoes 12 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,331 t each, 15,966 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 97,00 lbs / 44,00 kg Depth Charges + 8 reloads - 0,433 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 357,61 ft / 109,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 121% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,57" / 40 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,94" / 24 mm Forecastle: 0,00" / 0 mm Quarter deck: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 2,36" / 60 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32 738 shp / 24 422 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 2 200nm at 15,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 359 tons Complement: 265 - 345 Cost: £1,909 million / $7,638 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 491 tons, 11,4% - Guns: 458 tons, 10,7% - Weapons: 32 tons, 0,8% Armour: 608 tons, 14,1% - Belts: 185 tons, 4,3% - Armament: 182 tons, 4,2% - Armour Deck: 228 tons, 5,3% - Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 966 tons, 22,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 805 tons, 42,0% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 427 tons, 9,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 853 lbs / 2 201 Kg = 45,3 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03 Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m Roll period: 15,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,509 / 0,514 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,93 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,36 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 22,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,37 ft / 4,99 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156,0% Waterplane Area: 14 636 Square feet or 1 360 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108% Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 437 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,96 - Longitudinal: 1,71 - Overall: 1,02 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: Проект аи- дизельного 150-тонного миноносца Голландии, на основе проектов французских Циклонов и 38-метровых... laid down 1913 Displacement: 157 t light; 161 t standard; 167 t normal; 172 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (146,62 ft / 141,08 ft) x 15,42 ft x (6,56 / 6,69 ft) (44,69 m / 43,00 m) x 4,70 m x (2,00 / 2,04 m) Armament: 3 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1913 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft Weight of broadside 10 lbs / 4 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,852 t each, 3,406 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m torpedoes - 0,852 t each, 1,703 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 3 315 shp / 2 473 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 600nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 12 tons Complement: 23 - 30 Cost: £0,020 million / $0,079 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 11 tons, 6,6% - Guns: 2 tons, 1,3% - Weapons: 9 tons, 5,3% Armour: 0 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 87 tons, 51,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 59 tons, 35,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 11 tons, 6,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 69 lbs / 31 Kg = 0,6 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 0,4 ft / 0,1 m Roll period: 9,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 43 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,74 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,410 / 0,414 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,15 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 13,82 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Forward deck: 26,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 7,55 ft / 2,30 m - Average freeboard: 7,88 ft / 2,40 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 170,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 50,8% Waterplane Area: 1 398 Square feet or 130 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 63% Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 91 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,61 - Longitudinal: 5,35 - Overall: 0,76 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
von Echenbach: Проект аи- быстроходного дредноута\линейного крейсера для Голландии, Испании, А-В, м.б. Германии (а также и для Китая): laid down 1911, Displacement: 12 778 t light; 13 595 t standard; 14 388 t normal; 15 023 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (579,45 ft / 564,30 ft) x 68,90 ft x (22,97 / 23,75 ft) (176,62 m / 172,00 m) x 21,00 m x (7,00 / 7,24 m) Armament: 9 - 11,02" / 280 mm 45,0 cal guns - 675,51lbs / 306,40kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 1 x 3-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 20,97lbs / 9,51kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1911 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 6 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 6 350 lbs / 2 880 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,775 t each, 3,098 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 8,86 ft / 2,70 m Ends: 1,57" / 40 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 81% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 11,0" / 280 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 11,0" / 280 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,39" / 10 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 45 957 shp / 34 284 Kw = 26,00 kts Range 4 800nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 427 tons Complement: 656 - 853 Cost: £1,290 million / $5,159 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 417 tons, 9,8% - Guns: 1 411 tons, 9,8% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,0% Armour: 3 393 tons, 23,6% - Belts: 1 420 tons, 9,9% - Armament: 1 097 tons, 7,6% - Armour Deck: 775 tons, 5,4% - Conning Tower: 100 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 1 865 tons, 13,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 103 tons, 42,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 610 tons, 11,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 17 620 lbs / 7 992 Kg = 26,3 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 3,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 16,3 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,92 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,06 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,564 / 0,569 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,19 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,61 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Forward deck: 44,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 23,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,83 ft / 5,13 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132,6% Waterplane Area: 28 175 Square feet or 2 618 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114% Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 819 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,12 - Longitudinal: 1,65 - Overall: 1,16 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: супер-аи-Сверье - или лёгкий шхерный боевой\линейный крейсер: laid down 1911, Displacement: 7 717 t light; 8 223 t standard; 8 510 t normal; 8 739 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (457,50 ft / 442,91 ft) x 62,34 ft x (19,69 / 20,10 ft) (139,45 m / 135,00 m) x 19,00 m x (6,00 / 6,13 m) Armament: 6 - 11,02" / 280 mm 45,0 cal guns - 675,51lbs / 306,40kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 250 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 8 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 5,70lbs / 2,58kg shells, 250 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 4 526 lbs / 2 053 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 269,03 ft / 82,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 1,97" / 50 mm 157,48 ft / 48,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 93% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,87" / 200 mm 2,95" / 75 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,59" / 15 mm 1,97" / 50 mm - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,10" / 28 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 1,97" / 50 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 28 890 shp / 21 552 Kw = 24,00 kts Range 1 600nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 516 tons (60% coal) Complement: 442 - 575 Cost: £0,866 million / $3,464 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 042 tons, 12,2% - Guns: 1 042 tons, 12,2% Armour: 2 086 tons, 24,5% - Belts: 849 tons, 10,0% - Armament: 683 tons, 8,0% - Armour Deck: 473 tons, 5,6% - Conning Towers: 81 tons, 1,0% Machinery: 1 240 tons, 14,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 349 tons, 39,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 793 tons, 9,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 9 131 lbs / 4 142 Kg = 13,6 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 16,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,01 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,551 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,11 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21,05 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 48,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 21,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m, 14,44 ft / 4,40 m - Average freeboard: 15,99 ft / 4,87 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123,5% Waterplane Area: 19 232 Square feet or 1 787 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99% Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 671 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,94 - Longitudinal: 1,97 - Overall: 1,01 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room
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