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Средиземноморский букет. Новый флот Франции, Италии, Турции и др.
von Echenbach: Шасселу-Лобе, Жустин. РИ - морской министр Франции 1860-1867. Строился броненосный флот. Допустим: имел дар предвидения и мог быть убедительным и влиятельным. - по факту РИ. Как мог изменить флот и повлиять на армию, императора Наполеона III и судьбу-историю Франции и Европы? Какие могли быть новые проекты кораблей?
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von Echenbach: По ранним кораблям и "молодой аи-школе" - в процессе. ББО "Бувине"-аи: 1. Ромбическое расположение ГК при небольшом росте водоизмещения относительно реального проекта. laid down 1891 Barbette ship Displacement: 7 148 t light; 7 600 t standard; 7 760 t normal; 7 888 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (308,62 ft / 298,56 ft) x 62,34 ft x (26,25 / 26,59 ft) (94,07 m / 91,00 m) x 19,00 m x (8,00 / 8,10 m) Armament: 4 - 13,74" / 349 mm 40,0 cal guns - 1 243,07lbs / 563,85kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1891 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 5 218 lbs / 2 367 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 12,6" / 320 mm 173,88 ft / 53,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 6,30" / 160 mm 121,39 ft / 37,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 90% of normal length Main Belt inclined 13,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 3,15" / 80 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 1,57" / 40 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 3,15" / 80 mm Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm - Conning towers: Forward 6,30" / 160 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 619 ihp / 4 937 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 287 tons (100% coal) Complement: 413 - 537 Cost: £0,719 million / $2,877 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 934 tons, 12,0% - Guns: 934 tons, 12,0% Armour: 2 742 tons, 35,3% - Belts: 1 127 tons, 14,5% - Armament: 853 tons, 11,0% - Armour Deck: 709 tons, 9,1% - Conning Tower: 53 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 1 203 tons, 15,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 268 tons, 29,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 612 tons, 7,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 412 lbs / 3 815 Kg = 6,5 x 13,7 " / 349 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38 Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m Roll period: 12,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,52 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,50 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,556 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,79 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,28 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,30 ft / 4,05 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76,2% Waterplane Area: 13 062 Square feet or 1 213 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97% Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 696 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,00 - Longitudinal: 4,12 - Overall: 1,15 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather 2. аи-2-"Жеммапс"-"Бувине": микро-дредноутная схема с кормовой линейно-возвышенной парой орудий ГК (несбывшиеся воспоминания о "Анри IV" и часто применявшаяся схема "двухуровневых" батарей от Маженты и Редутабля). Башни. type laid down 1891 Displacement: 7 182 t light; 7 600 t standard; 7 760 t normal; 7 888 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (308,62 ft / 298,56 ft) x 62,34 ft x (26,25 / 26,59 ft) (94,07 m / 91,00 m) x 19,00 m x (8,00 / 8,10 m) Armament: 5 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1891 Model 3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1891 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 4 612 lbs / 2 092 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 12,6" / 320 mm 193,57 ft / 59,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 6,30" / 160 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 100% of normal length Main Belt inclined 13,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 3,15" / 80 mm 11,8" / 300 mm 2nd: 1,57" / 40 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 3,15" / 80 mm Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm - Conning towers: Forward 6,30" / 160 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6 619 ihp / 4 937 Kw = 16,00 kts Range 1 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 287 tons (100% coal) Complement: 413 - 537 Cost: £0,839 million / $3,357 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 992 tons, 12,8% - Guns: 992 tons, 12,8% Armour: 2 763 tons, 35,6% - Belts: 1 140 tons, 14,7% - Armament: 861 tons, 11,1% - Armour Deck: 709 tons, 9,1% - Conning Tower: 53 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 1 203 tons, 15,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 223 tons, 28,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 578 tons, 7,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 267 lbs / 2 843 Kg = 7,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06 Metacentric height 2,8 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 15,7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,91 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,33 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,556 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 4,79 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,28 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 35,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 13,63 ft / 4,15 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79,1% Waterplane Area: 13 062 Square feet or 1 213 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85% Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 662 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,83 - Longitudinal: 3,24 - Overall: 0,95 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily И попутно, отталкиваясь от реала: а если "7 пудов" т.е. ген-адм. вел. кн. Ал. Ал. примет идею о возможной покупке 4 ББО т. Бувине-Вальми с перевооружением на 12"/40 6-8 100-120 -мм. И на ТО.
von Echenbach: аи "Шанзи" в виде "маленький Марсо-Карно": laid down 1890 Displacement: 4 773 t light; 4 962 t standard; 5 014 t normal; 5 056 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (383,86 ft / 364,17 ft) x 45,93 ft x (19,69 / 19,81 ft) (117,00 m / 111,00 m) x 14,00 m x (6,00 / 6,04 m) Armament: 4 - 7,64" / 194 mm 45,0 cal guns - 224,68lbs / 101,91kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 29,24lbs / 13,26kg shells, 180 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 raised mounts 8 - 2,56" / 65,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,45lbs / 3,83kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 200 lbs / 544 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,234 t each, 0,469 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 291,99 ft / 89,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 123% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm Forecastle: 1,18" / 30 mm Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 756 ihp / 6 532 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 330nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 94 tons (100% coal) Complement: 297 - 387 Cost: £0,492 million / $1,968 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 304 tons, 6,1% - Guns: 303 tons, 6,0% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 207 tons, 24,1% - Belts: 606 tons, 12,1% - Armament: 167 tons, 3,3% - Armour Deck: 396 tons, 7,9% - Conning Towers: 37 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 1 621 tons, 32,3% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 640 tons, 32,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 242 tons, 4,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 3 009 lbs / 1 365 Kg = 13,5 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 4,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22 Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 12,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 67 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,40 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,35 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,533 / 0,534 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,93 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 27,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 43,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,33 ft / 3,45 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,0% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 72,3% Waterplane Area: 11 490 Square feet or 1 067 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93% Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 489 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,13 - Longitudinal: 1,73 - Overall: 1,18 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
von Echenbach: аи Потюо, аи Франция бркр laid down 1895 а - 4х1 194, 12 100 -мм. Displacement: 4 868 t light; 5 061 t standard; 5 435 t normal; 5 734 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (393,70 ft / 374,02 ft) x 49,21 ft x (19,69 / 20,52 ft) (120,00 m / 114,00 m) x 15,00 m x (6,00 / 6,25 m) Armament: 4 - 7,64" / 194 mm 45,0 cal guns - 224,68lbs / 101,91kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 12 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 3,04lbs / 1,38kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 304 lbs / 592 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,487 t each, 0,973 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 269,03 ft / 82,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 98,43 ft / 30,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 111% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 2,76" / 70 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,33" / 110 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 135 ihp / 6 815 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 4 400nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 674 tons (100% coal) Complement: 316 - 411 Cost: £0,491 million / $1,965 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 327 tons, 6,0% - Guns: 326 tons, 6,0% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 130 tons, 20,8% - Belts: 432 tons, 7,9% - Armament: 243 tons, 4,5% - Armour Deck: 426 tons, 7,8% - Conning Tower: 29 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 548 tons, 28,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 863 tons, 34,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 567 tons, 10,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 973 lbs / 2 256 Kg = 22,3 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22 Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 13,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 97 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,95 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,525 / 0,531 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,60 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,34 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,19 ft / 4,93 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115,8% Waterplane Area: 12 549 Square feet or 1 166 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104% Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 482 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,06 - Longitudinal: 2,48 - Overall: 1,15 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather б - 8 (4з2) 194, 12 100 -мм Displacement: 5 160 t light; 5 409 t standard; 5 797 t normal; 6 108 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (393,70 ft / 374,02 ft) x 52,49 ft x (19,69 / 20,55 ft) (120,00 m / 114,00 m) x 16,00 m x (6,00 / 6,26 m) Armament: 8 - 7,64" / 194 mm 45,0 cal guns - 224,68lbs / 101,91kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 12 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 3,04lbs / 1,38kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 203 lbs / 999 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,487 t each, 0,973 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 291,99 ft / 89,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 120% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 2,76" / 70 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 2nd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,33" / 110 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 556 ihp / 7 129 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 4 400nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 698 tons (100% coal) Complement: 331 - 431 Cost: £0,596 million / $2,383 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 580 tons, 10,0% - Guns: 579 tons, 10,0% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 273 tons, 22,0% - Belts: 447 tons, 7,7% - Armament: 342 tons, 5,9% - Armour Deck: 454 tons, 7,8% - Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0,5% Machinery: 1 620 tons, 27,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 687 tons, 29,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 638 tons, 11,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 201 lbs / 1 905 Kg = 18,9 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20 Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 13,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,85 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,525 / 0,530 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,13 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,34 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,19 ft / 4,93 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118,0% Waterplane Area: 13 386 Square feet or 1 244 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92% Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 462 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,86 - Longitudinal: 2,15 - Overall: 0,95 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Если заменить ГК на 164-мм, будет почти Клебер-тип. Или 4х1 240/40 - д,Антркасто Что можно сделать из Альмы, Дюге Трюэна, Милана и Сфакса? Об в крайности не впадает, строит МН по 3 штуки в серии для выбора наилучшего результата. А вот ЛгКР он развивает в качестве легких разведчиков. Ваши предложения - ?
von Echenbach: аи супер-Милан/Форбин, аи Франция минный кр-развед лг laid down 1888 Displacement: 2 645 t light; 2 749 t standard; 3 095 t normal; 3 372 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (344,33 ft / 334,65 ft) x 37,73 ft x (16,40 / 17,53 ft) (104,95 m / 102,00 m) x 11,50 m x (5,00 / 5,34 m) Armament: 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,31lbs / 13,75kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model 2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,31lbs / 13,75kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1888 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,15lbs / 1,43kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1888 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 510 lbs / 231 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,216 t each, 0,432 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - 3rd: 0,59" / 15 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,59" / 15 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,59" / 15 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 204 ihp / 6 120 Kw = 20,00 kts Range 3 200nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 622 tons (100% coal) Complement: 206 - 269 Cost: £0,326 million / $1,304 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 86 tons, 2,8% - Guns: 85 tons, 2,8% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 93 tons, 3,0% - Armament: 13 tons, 0,4% - Armour Deck: 77 tons, 2,5% - Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 488 tons, 48,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 978 tons, 31,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 450 tons, 14,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 427 lbs / 647 Kg = 13,6 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,56 Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m Roll period: 10,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,18 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,523 / 0,533 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,87 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,29 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 28,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 37,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,29 ft / 4,36 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 163,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103,9% Waterplane Area: 8 592 Square feet or 798 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90% Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 319 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,96 - Longitudinal: 2,41 - Overall: 1,05 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather По Шарпию некритично взможно добавить 20-мм броневой пояс длиной 80 м и высотой 3 м.
von Echenbach: Параллельно появилась ветвь аи - аи Турция. Три султана как основоположники реформ: Махмкд 2, Абдкл-Меджид, Абдул-Азиз. И/или их окружение. Броненосцы, в т.ч. и ББО - Минно-артиллерийские тараны, торпеды "лонг ланс" типа, ПЛ и МЗ. По ББО: Поиски в САСШ, Голландии, Швеции. Наиболее перспективные разработки определились в Англии и Франции. Проект "Церберус" был переработан в "суперЦерберус", рассматривался и в Швеции, но был отклонен по дороговизне и возможности вооружения более тяжелыми орудиями. Турки же заказали пару пред-дредноутов аи-типа. один строится в Англии, второй- в Стамбуле. аи Интибах, БрБО laid down 1871 Displacement: 5 354 t light; 5 572 t standard; 5 685 t normal; 5 777 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (301,84 ft / 288,71 ft) x 52,49 ft x (19,69 / 19,97 ft) (92,00 m / 88,00 m) x 16,00 m x (6,00 / 6,09 m) Armament: 8 - 10,00" / 254 mm 25,0 cal guns - 384,02lbs / 174,19kg shells, 60 per gun Muzzle loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret mounts, 1871 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft 6 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 4,48lbs / 2,03kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1871 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 6 raised mounts Weight of broadside 3 099 lbs / 1 406 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 108,27 ft / 33,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: 6,69" / 170 mm 173,88 ft / 53,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 5,91" / 150 mm 72,18 ft / 22,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Main Belt covers 58% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 8,66" / 220 mm 6,69" / 170 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 6,69" / 170 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2 274 ihp / 1 697 Kw = 12,00 kts Range 900nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 205 tons (100% coal) Complement: 326 - 425 Cost: £0,425 million / $1,698 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 471 tons, 8,3% - Guns: 471 tons, 8,3% Armour: 1 547 tons, 27,2% - Belts: 784 tons, 13,8% - Armament: 470 tons, 8,3% - Armour Deck: 247 tons, 4,3% - Conning Tower: 46 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 546 tons, 9,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 790 tons, 49,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 332 tons, 5,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 933 lbs / 2 238 Kg = 13,8 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 1,9 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,01 Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 15,8 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 44 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0,77 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,667 / 0,668 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,50 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,99 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Aft deck: 41,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Average freeboard: 7,51 ft / 2,29 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 57,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 45,2% Waterplane Area: 11 792 Square feet or 1 095 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 136% Structure weight / hull surface area: 192 lbs/sq ft or 935 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,07 - Longitudinal: 2,01 - Overall: 1,14 Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather Следующая пара по французскому проекту аи-Вальми и ещё пара - по собственному турецкому "Фетхи-Буленд"
von Echenbach: Ещё одна рабочая версия аи-"Шанзи": 6х1 194 с подобием архитектуры "Дюпои де-Лома" без средней пары башен, + 8-12 100-мм в батарее (вариант - 100-мм 8 шт в казематах надстройки). аи супер-Шанзи 2, аи Франция аи бркр-разведчик laid down 1892 Displacement: 4 655 t light; 4 866 t standard; 5 116 t normal; 5 316 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (369,45 ft / 357,61 ft) x 47,90 ft x (19,69 / 20,29 ft) (112,61 m / 109,00 m) x 14,60 m x (6,00 / 6,18 m) Armament: 2 - 7,64" / 194 mm 45,0 cal guns - 224,68lbs / 101,91kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft 4 - 7,64" / 194 mm 45,0 cal guns - 224,68lbs / 101,91kg shells, 110 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 8 - 2,56" / 65,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 8,45lbs / 3,83kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 662 lbs / 754 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,353 t each, 1,413 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 295,28 ft / 90,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 0,63" / 16 mm 52,49 ft / 16,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 127% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 6,30" / 160 mm 3,15" / 80 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 6,30" / 160 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 3rd: 1,57" / 40 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,57" / 40 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 1,57" / 40 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 3 shafts, 8 950 ihp / 6 677 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 3 600nm at 8,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 450 tons (100% coal) Complement: 302 - 393 Cost: £0,529 million / $2,115 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 438 tons, 8,6% - Guns: 436 tons, 8,5% - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 306 tons, 25,5% - Belts: 572 tons, 11,2% - Armament: 375 tons, 7,3% - Armour Deck: 319 tons, 6,2% - Conning Towers: 40 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 1 598 tons, 31,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 313 tons, 25,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 461 tons, 9,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 505 lbs / 1 136 Kg = 11,2 x 7,6 " / 194 mm shells or 2,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 14,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,91 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,52 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,531 / 0,535 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,47 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,91 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 14,12 ft / 4,30 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126,6% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96,6% Waterplane Area: 11 744 Square feet or 1 091 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87% Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 403 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,75 - Longitudinal: 1,61 - Overall: 0,81 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: Итальянская модернизация "эльсвиков": аи Этна, аи Италия аи ЛгКР "эльсвик" (1 класс) laid down 1884 Barbette ship Displacement: 3 753 t light; 3 914 t standard; 4 217 t normal; 4 459 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (314,28 ft / 308,40 ft) x 42,65 ft x (19,69 / 20,59 ft) (95,79 m / 94,00 m) x 13,00 m x (6,00 / 6,28 m) Armament: 3 - 10,00" / 254 mm 32,0 cal guns - 442,49lbs / 200,71kg shells, 70 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1884 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 6 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 47,16lbs / 21,39kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1884 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 1,38lbs / 0,63kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1884 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 1 619 lbs / 734 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,181 t each, 0,362 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - - 1,18" / 30 mm 2nd: 0,28" / 7 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,51" / 13 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,54" / 39 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 281 ihp / 5 432 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 3 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 545 tons (100% coal) Complement: 261 - 340 Cost: £0,404 million / $1,618 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 289 tons, 6,9% - Guns: 288 tons, 6,8% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 233 tons, 5,5% - Armament: 37 tons, 0,9% - Armour Deck: 188 tons, 4,5% - Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 431 tons, 33,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 800 tons, 42,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 464 tons, 11,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 339 lbs / 1 061 Kg = 5,1 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 4,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,44 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 11,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,43 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,36 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,570 / 0,576 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,23 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 17,56 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,13 ft / 3,39 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126,3% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 66,1% Waterplane Area: 9 354 Square feet or 869 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111% Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 643 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,43 - Longitudinal: 3,25 - Overall: 1,55 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily
von Echenbach: аи Ruggiero di Lauria, аи Италия аи башенно-барбетный БР laid down 1886 Barbette ship Displacement: 9 865 t light; 10 552 t standard; 11 131 t normal; 11 594 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (383,86 ft / 364,17 ft) x 69,55 ft x (26,25 / 27,12 ft) (117,00 m / 111,00 m) x 21,20 m x (8,00 / 8,27 m) Armament: 4 - 14,17" / 360 mm 32,0 cal guns - 1 280,43lbs / 580,79kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1886 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck aft 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck forward 2 - 14,17" / 360 mm 32,0 cal guns - 1 280,43lbs / 580,79kg shells, 90 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1886 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 47,93lbs / 21,74kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1886 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 2 raised mounts 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread 12 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,10lbs / 1,41kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1886 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 8 295 lbs / 3 763 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,198 t each, 0,396 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 14,2" / 360 mm 232,94 ft / 71,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 98% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 12,6" / 320 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 14,2" / 360 mm 2nd: - 3,54" / 90 mm 12,6" / 320 mm 3rd: 1,18" / 30 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,36" / 60 mm Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 206 ihp / 7 614 Kw = 17,00 kts Range 3 600nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 043 tons (100% coal) Complement: 541 - 704 Cost: £1,102 million / $4,408 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 197 tons, 10,8% - Guns: 1 196 tons, 10,7% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 3 849 tons, 34,6% - Belts: 1 227 tons, 11,0% - Armament: 1 749 tons, 15,7% - Armour Deck: 797 tons, 7,2% - Conning Tower: 76 tons, 0,7% Machinery: 1 963 tons, 17,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 857 tons, 25,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 265 tons, 11,4% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 040 lbs / 2 740 Kg = 4,5 x 14,2 " / 360 mm shells or 9,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 3,6 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 15,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,00 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,65 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,586 / 0,591 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,24 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19,08 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 16,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 42,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 12,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Average freeboard: 16,09 ft / 4,90 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84,5% Waterplane Area: 18 285 Square feet or 1 699 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90% Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 623 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,58 - Longitudinal: 2,30 - Overall: 0,66 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: аи Триполи, аи Италия аи Торпедный КР (3 класс) laid down 1889 Displacement: 1 148 t light; 1 192 t standard; 1 266 t normal; 1 324 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (244,86 ft / 239,50 ft) x 26,25 ft x (13,12 / 13,60 ft) (74,63 m / 73,00 m) x 8,00 m x (4,00 / 4,14 m) Armament: 4 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 49,07lbs / 22,26kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1889 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 6 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,95lbs / 1,34kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1889 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward Weight of broadside 214 lbs / 97 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,225 t each, 0,900 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,47" / 12 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4 333 ihp / 3 233 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 132 tons (100% coal) Complement: 105 - 137 Cost: £0,138 million / $0,552 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 32 tons, 2,5% - Guns: 30 tons, 2,4% - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,1% Armour: 36 tons, 2,8% - Armament: 4 tons, 0,3% - Armour Deck: 31 tons, 2,5% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 641 tons, 50,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 441 tons, 34,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 118 tons, 9,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 418 lbs / 190 Kg = 3,9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,41 Metacentric height 1,2 ft / 0,4 m Roll period: 10,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,16 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,537 / 0,542 Length to Beam Ratio: 9,13 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 15,48 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 11,48 ft / 3,50 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 8,20 ft / 2,50 m - Average freeboard: 7,80 ft / 2,38 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 170,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 49,9% Waterplane Area: 4 334 Square feet or 403 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73% Structure weight / hull surface area: 61 lbs/sq ft or 300 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1,29 - Longitudinal: 2,10 - Overall: 1,36 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
von Echenbach: аи Лепанто, аи Италия Барбетный броненосец бронепалубного типа laid down 1890 (по расположению установок ГК близки к оригиналу (тип Италия, но где каждая пара орудий ГК в своём барбете), Эпанья и фон дер Танн. Barbette ship Central citadel ship - аи Тиалия отказалась от орудий-монстров ГК и остановилась на калибре 360-мм: поначалу L: - 28, далее - 35 и 45 калибров. СК: 120-мм L: -25, -35 и -40 (50) калибров. + проект дополнен вооружением из 8 57-мм вместо 47-мм. Displacement: 10 421 t light; 11 308 t standard; 12 188 t normal; 12 892 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (412,13 ft / 403,54 ft) x 72,18 ft x (26,25 / 27,45 ft) (125,62 m / 123,00 m) x 22,00 m x (8,00 / 8,37 m) Armament: 8 - 14,17" / 360 mm 35,0 cal guns - 1 334,81lbs / 605,46kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1890 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 40,0 cal guns - 50,53lbs / 22,92kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas Weight of broadside 11 285 lbs / 5 119 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,329 t each, 0,658 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 278,87 ft / 85,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 106% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 4,72" / 120 mm 12,6" / 320 mm 2nd: 1,57" / 40 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm Forecastle: 2,36" / 60 mm Quarter deck: 2,36" / 60 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,09" / 180 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12 350 ihp / 9 213 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 3 800nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 584 tons (100% coal) Complement: 579 - 753 Cost: £1,253 million / $5,011 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 761 tons, 14,4% - Guns: 1 759 tons, 14,4% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 4 291 tons, 35,2% - Belts: 284 tons, 2,3% - Armament: 2 249 tons, 18,5% - Armour Deck: 1 664 tons, 13,7% - Conning Towers: 94 tons, 0,8% Machinery: 2 287 tons, 18,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 022 tons, 16,6% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 768 tons, 14,5% Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 0,5% - Hull below water: 60 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 6 986 lbs / 3 169 Kg = 4,9 x 14,2 " / 360 mm shells or 5,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38 Metacentric height 5,4 ft / 1,7 m Roll period: 13,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,97 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,93 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, a straight bulbous bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,558 / 0,564 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,59 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,09 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 13,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 39,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 17,44 ft / 5,32 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,7% Waterplane Area: 20 481 Square feet or 1 903 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85% Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 493 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,54 - Longitudinal: 1,79 - Overall: 0,61 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather аи Марко Поло, аи Италия аи бр кр 3 кл laid down 1884 Barbette ship Displacement: 4 797 t light; 5 099 t standard; 5 454 t normal; 5 738 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (351,05 ft / 334,65 ft) x 52,49 ft x (19,69 / 20,49 ft) (107,00 m / 102,00 m) x 16,00 m x (6,00 / 6,25 m) Armament: 4 - 10,00" / 254 mm 25,0 cal guns - 433,23lbs / 196,51kg shells, 100 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1884 Model 4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread 12 - 5,98" / 152 mm 30,0 cal guns - 94,22lbs / 42,74kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1884 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 2,79lbs / 1,26kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1884 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 2 886 lbs / 1 309 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,181 t each, 0,725 t total submerged bow & stern tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 2,36" / 60 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 121% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: - 2,36" / 60 mm 4,72" / 120 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - - Armoured deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,98" / 25 mm Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,59" / 15 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 358 ihp / 6 235 Kw = 18,00 kts Range 3 200nm at 9,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 639 tons (100% coal) Complement: 316 - 412 Cost: £0,497 million / $1,989 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 375 tons, 6,9% - Guns: 374 tons, 6,9% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 998 tons, 18,3% - Belts: 480 tons, 8,8% - Armament: 286 tons, 5,2% - Armour Deck: 209 tons, 3,8% - Conning Tower: 24 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 1 643 tons, 30,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 781 tons, 32,7% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 657 tons, 12,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4 020 lbs / 1 823 Kg = 8,8 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 6,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,48 Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m Roll period: 11,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,88 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,552 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,38 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,29 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 15,68 ft / 4,78 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97,2% Waterplane Area: 12 283 Square feet or 1 141 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104% Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,93 - Longitudinal: 2,62 - Overall: 1,03 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: аи-Аффондаторе - каким мог быть? Как и "эльсвикские крейсера".
von Echenbach: аи супер-Аффондаторе, ам Италия аи броненосный таран laid down 1864 Displacement: 3 453 t light; 3 638 t standard; 3 801 t normal; 3 932 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (290,35 ft / 275,59 ft) x 49,21 ft x (16,40 / 16,86 ft) (88,50 m / 84,00 m) x 15,00 m x (5,00 / 5,14 m) Armament: 2 - 12,01" / 305 mm 16,0 cal guns - 600,30lbs / 272,29kg shells, 60 per gun Muzzle loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turret mounts, 1864 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 4 - 9,02" / 229 mm 16,0 cal guns - 254,08lbs / 115,25kg shells, 110 per gun Muzzle loading guns in casemate mounts, 1864 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 8 - 3,15" / 80,0 mm 15,0 cal guns - 10,81lbs / 4,90kg shells, 150 per gun Muzzle loading guns in deck mounts, 1864 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea 4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea Weight of broadside 2 303 lbs / 1 045 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,7" / 400 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,056 t each, 0,113 t total submerged bow tubes 2nd Torpedoes 4 - 15,7" / 400 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,056 t each, 0,226 t total submerged side tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 9,84" / 250 mm 177,17 ft / 54,00 m 8,20 ft / 2,50 m Ends: 4,72" / 120 mm 91,86 ft / 28,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 99% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 9,45" / 240 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 2nd: 7,09" / 180 mm 5,51" / 140 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 0,98" / 25 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 6,30" / 160 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 321 ihp / 2 477 Kw = 14,00 kts Range 1 400nm at 7,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 293 tons (100% coal) Complement: 241 - 314 Cost: £0,310 million / $1,241 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 147 tons, 3,9% - Guns: 146 tons, 3,9% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 1 424 tons, 37,5% - Belts: 799 tons, 21,0% - Armament: 410 tons, 10,8% - Armour Deck: 182 tons, 4,8% - Conning Tower: 33 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 938 tons, 24,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 944 tons, 24,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 348 tons, 9,2% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 1 241 lbs / 563 Kg = 2,4 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 18,3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,42 Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 11,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,57 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,68 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck , a ram bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,598 / 0,602 Length to Beam Ratio: 5,60 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 16,60 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00%, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m, 9,84 ft / 3,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 11,25 ft / 3,43 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77,0% Waterplane Area: 9 901 Square feet or 920 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98% Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 350 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,47 - Longitudinal: 1,14 - Overall: 0,51 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
von Echenbach: АИ развилка - 1872-79: Франция сохраняет стремление к владению морем и совместно с Австро-Венгрией действуют против Англии и Германии. Условно: Северо-запад - за Австро-Венгрией, а юг и Атлантика - за Францией. Для нейтрализации России - владение Босфором. Ваши предложения и детали реализации?
von Echenbach: Альт- БР Наполеон-Дантон ... история в процессе написания. 1. 1888 4-5 340, 4х2 194 (178), 16 100-мм 2. 1898 3. 1908 8-10 305 ...(4х3 ? 178 - 164)
GromoBoy: Ихде таран?
Dampir: von Echenbach пишет: 1. 1888 4-5 340, 4х2 194 (178), 16 100-мм Если примем во внимание водоизмещение в 14000 тонн как слишком неподъёмное для наших финансов и не так уже необходимое для нашей боевой мощи, следует согласиться, что множество наших высших офицеров оценивают пробивную силу 27-см орудий для кораблей "первого ранга" как абсолютно недостаточную. Следовательно, требуется найти, по-моему, новую комбинацию, способную примирить разные существующие взгляды, которая может быть предложена Министру. Эту новую комбинацию я полагаю, нашел с помощью мсьё генерала дю Пан (du Pan). Она основывается на применении нового орудия, калибром 30 см, пробивающего 45-см плиты на дистанции, вдвое большей требуемой для пробивания 27-см орудием. Это артиллерийское орудие будет изготавливаться не дольше, чем 34-см, которые требовалось заказать. Оно не сможет стать ошибочным из-за того, что займёт место среди типов 24, 27, 32 и 34 см. Согласно этому предположению, наши броненосцы могли бы иметь два 30-см орудия, одно из которых погонное, другое ретирадное и два бортовых 27-см орудия. С этим составом тяжёлой артиллерии и согласившись к тому же на некоторые жертвы в отношении защиты, на которые указал Министр в своей телеграмме от 23 января 1890 года, поставленная задача может быть решена в пределах водоизмещения 11800 т.
von Echenbach: GromoBoy пишет: Ихде таран? Каюсь позабыл. М.б. в свете новых подходов... без тарана. Конечно это так не по french steel. Dampir пишет: С этим составом тяжёлой артиллерии и согласившись к тому же на некоторые жертвы в отношении защиты, на которые указал Министр в своей телеграмме от 23 января 1890 года, поставленная задача может быть решена в пределах водоизмещения 11800 т. :-) Можно принять и традиционный французский "винегрет" для первой серии. Простор идеям.
von Echenbach: Альт"Регина Елена". Год пока не ясен. а- 8 12", б- 9 12". Носовая башня м.б. установлена палубой выше - по реальной схеме. 15000 т, 23-24 уз, борт -220, палуба - до 120. Дальность плавания до 5-6 000 миль.
Mukhin: von Echenbach пишет: Альт- БР Наполеон-Дантон ... история в процессе написания. А вот если трубы попарно объединить в 2 дымохода, то центральные башни было бы можно расположить диагонально, и стрелять в оба борта
Dampir: von Echenbach пишет: Альт"Регина Елена" поскольку итальянец кормовую башню как на Касуге спаренную и верхний вес уменьшится Ну и носовую нормально подмять Погонный огонь-наше все
von Echenbach: Mukhin пишет: расположить диагонально, и стрелять в оба борта :-) Ремонт дома и родственники на даче в гостях - хобби урывками. Думается по теме.
von Echenbach: Dampir пишет: кормовую башню как на Касуге спаренную и верхний вес уменьшится Ну и носовую нормально подмять Погонный огонь-наше все Для итальянцев ближе-роднее ретирадное. Набеговые операции и крейсера. Если с Альт "Сан-Бон" начать, - хм, 4х2 10", ближе гекс с 6х1 10" - ??? То двухорудийные башни вполне вмещаются в линию развития. Но "одноорудийное" развитие по Куниберти может исчезнуть.
von Echenbach: альтсупер Амальфи, альт итальянской развитие линии "Режина Елена" альт бркр-лнкр laid down 1908. 3х2 12", 12 120-мм, 28 уз. 120-мм (б проект 180-мм) борт, палуба 40-120 мм. Displacement: 12 270 t light; 13 048 t standard; 14 059 t normal; 14 867 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (554,79 ft / 538,06 ft) x 65,62 ft x (26,25 / 27,39 ft) (169,10 m / 164,00 m) x 20,00 m x (8,00 / 8,35 m) Armament: 6 - 12,01" / 305 mm 45,0 cal guns - 873,08lbs / 396,02kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1908 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1908 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 6 - 2,99" / 76,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 13,51lbs / 6,13kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 2 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 3,19lbs / 1,45kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1908 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 5 964 lbs / 2 705 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,763 t each, 3,050 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 4,72" / 120 mm 387,14 ft / 118,00 m 8,53 ft / 2,60 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 111% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,09" / 180 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 7,09" / 180 mm 2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm - - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm Forecastle: 1,57" / 40 mm Quarter deck: 2,76" / 70 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 7,09" / 180 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 60 488 shp / 45 124 Kw = 28,00 kts Range 2 800nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 818 tons Complement: 645 - 839 Cost: £1,381 million / $5,524 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 277 tons, 9,1% - Guns: 1 271 tons, 9,0% - Weapons: 6 tons, 0,0% Armour: 3 534 tons, 25,1% - Belts: 644 tons, 4,6% - Armament: 770 tons, 5,5% - Armour Deck: 1 986 tons, 14,1% - Conning Towers: 133 tons, 0,9% Machinery: 3 055 tons, 21,7% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 405 tons, 31,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 788 tons, 12,7% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11 824 lbs / 5 363 Kg = 13,7 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,05 Metacentric height 2,9 ft / 0,9 m Roll period: 16,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1,22 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,17 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, an extended bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,531 / 0,538 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,20 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 25,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 40,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 27,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,93 ft / 6,38 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147,3% Waterplane Area: 24 796 Square feet or 2 304 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96% Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 613 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,83 - Longitudinal: 1,99 - Overall: 0,90 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room P.S.: А если таких "Пересветов" ( с поправкой ТТЭ на время, т.е. скорость до 21 уз)...
von Echenbach: Франция, 1878-1882 идея бронетаранов : минный бронетаран-ббо. альт бронетаран кр Леклерк, альт франця альт бронетаран кр бо laid down 1880 Barbette ship Displacement: 4 914 t light; 5 071 t standard; 5 277 t normal; 5 442 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (301,84 ft / 282,15 ft) x 45,93 ft x (19,69 / 20,21 ft) (92,00 m / 86,00 m) x 14,00 m x (6,00 / 6,16 m) Armament: 2 - 9,45" / 240 mm 30,0 cal guns - 358,44lbs / 162,58kg shells, 60 per gun Breech loading guns in open barbette mount, 1880 Model 1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 30,0 cal guns - 25,93lbs / 11,76kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1880 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft 4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 8 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread 8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas 8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm 35,0 cal guns - 2,74lbs / 1,24kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1880 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 1 050 lbs / 476 kg Main Torpedoes 4 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,197 t each, 0,787 t total submerged bow tubes 2nd Torpedoes 16 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,197 t each, 3,148 t total submerged side tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5,51" / 140 mm 262,47 ft / 80,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 143% of normal length Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 4,72" / 120 mm - 7,09" / 180 mm 3rd: 4,72" / 120 mm 1,18" / 30 mm - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 4,72" / 120 mm Forecastle: 3,15" / 80 mm Quarter deck: 1,57" / 40 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12 383 ihp / 9 238 Kw = 19,00 kts Range 900nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 371 tons (100% coal) Complement: 309 - 402 Cost: £0,573 million / $2,290 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 177 tons, 3,4% - Guns: 169 tons, 3,2% - Weapons: 8 tons, 0,1% Armour: 1 509 tons, 28,6% - Belts: 391 tons, 7,4% - Armament: 243 tons, 4,6% - Armour Deck: 875 tons, 16,6% Machinery: 2 559 tons, 48,5% Hull, fittings & equipment: 629 tons, 11,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 363 tons, 6,9% Miscellaneous weights: 40 tons, 0,8% - Hull below water: 40 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 906 lbs / 411 Kg = 9,9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,84 Metacentric height 4,2 ft / 1,3 m Roll period: 9,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,15 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,09 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a ram bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,724 / 0,727 Length to Beam Ratio: 6,14 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 18,20 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Aft deck: 38,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 6,56 ft / 2,00 m - Average freeboard: 12,19 ft / 3,72 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88,1% Waterplane Area: 10 896 Square feet or 1 012 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 75% Structure weight / hull surface area: 46 lbs/sq ft or 223 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,47 - Longitudinal: 1,22 - Overall: 0,52 Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Cramped accommodation and workspace room Главный пояс наклонен наружу сверху, верхний каземат - по типу американских броненосцев Южан, в носу барбет с двумя орудиями ГК. ТА спаренные вертикально подводные. На следующей серии,также из трех кораблей ГК стал ромбическим, из 4х1 180-м,скорость - до 21 уз.
von Echenbach: По французским бронетаранам 1870-х: Броне-тральщики-прорыватели защиты входа в гавань, бронепричалы-десантные бронетранспорты и србственно бронетараны для огневой поддержки десанта. Всё это для обеспечения Ла-Маншской (Ламанческой) десантной лперации. В т.ч. сковывание и отвлечение на себя (на десантные бронетараны) действий линейных сил Флота Канала.
von Echenbach: По итальянским дредноутам типа "Кавур" - чуть увеличить и сделать 5х3 (почти ри) или 6х3 12" (Исеизированный вариант)?
von Echenbach: аи броненосный-линейный крейсер Франции по исходным идеям Д. Фишера и мотивам Лнкр "Гёбен" и бркр "Клебер". аи-Леон Гамбетта: laid down 1904, Displacement: 12 678 t light; 13 402 t standard; 13 985 t normal; 14 450 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (505,19 ft / 492,13 ft) x 68,90 ft x (26,25 / 26,94 ft) (153,98 m / 150,00 m) x 21,00 m x (8,00 / 8,21 m) Armament: 10 - 9,45" / 240 mm 43,0 cal guns - 412,02lbs / 186,89kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model 3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 12 - 6,46" / 164 mm 45,0 cal guns - 135,73lbs / 61,57kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward 12 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 29,24lbs / 13,26kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1904 Model 12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas 8 - 2,56" / 65,0 mm 43,0 cal guns - 8,19lbs / 3,71kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 6 165 lbs / 2 797 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 15,0" / 380 mm, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m torpedoes - 0,496 t each, 0,991 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 7,01" / 178 mm 364,17 ft / 111,00 m 8,53 ft / 2,60 m Ends: 2,52" / 64 mm 118,11 ft / 36,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Unarmoured ends Upper: 5,43" / 138 mm 393,70 ft / 120,00 m 4,59 ft / 1,40 m Main Belt covers 114% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 7,01" / 178 mm 4,33" / 110 mm 7,01" / 178 mm 2nd: 6,46" / 164 mm 2,60" / 66 mm 6,46" / 164 mm 3rd: 0,87" / 22 mm 0,43" / 11 mm - 4th: 0,20" / 5 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 7,01" / 178 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 3 shafts, 34 547 shp / 25 772 Kw = 23,50 kts Range 2 400nm at 11,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 048 tons (66% coal) Complement: 642 - 835 Cost: £1,452 million / $5,807 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 627 tons, 11,6% - Guns: 1 626 tons, 11,6% - Weapons: 1 tons, 0,0% Armour: 3 610 tons, 25,8% - Belts: 1 454 tons, 10,4% - Armament: 1 575 tons, 11,3% - Armour Deck: 493 tons, 3,5% - Conning Tower: 88 tons, 0,6% Machinery: 3 341 tons, 23,9% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 100 tons, 29,3% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 307 tons, 9,3% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 10 551 lbs / 4 786 Kg = 25,0 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 3,8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07 Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 16,1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,89 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,19 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,554 Length to Beam Ratio: 7,14 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 18,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 50,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 18,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,06 ft / 5,50 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113,1% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125,8% Waterplane Area: 23 663 Square feet or 2 198 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91% Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 678 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,94 - Longitudinal: 1,77 - Overall: 1,00 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room СК на уровне кормовой башни ГК в вырезах (Клебер). Сектор работы средних башен макс. - 90+180 град.
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