Англия и САСШ. Альтернативные корабли различных периодов

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Англия и САСШ. Альтернативные корабли различных периодов

von Echenbach: Достаточно редко обсуждаемые и предлагаемые альтернативные сценарии истории этих стран и альт. проекты кораблей. По форуму рассыпано несколько проектов, можно поставить ссылки, в т.ч. и на иные форумы, чтобы не тратить время на поиск и придумывание "велосипеда".

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von Echenbach: Первые в теме аи-американцы: Развитие "Бруклин" к "Теннесси": синтез проекта Куниберти и проекта броненосца "Регина Елена". 11000 т, 23 уз, борт, башни - 140, палуба - 30. 12 8" (4х2 и 4х1) 203/30-35 в зависимости от времени постройки. Броненосцы: тип - ? Огайо-альт: 4х2 330 ромбом, и 6х2 203 (2 - возвышенно нос-корма за башнями ГК и 4х2 на уровень ниже бортовых башен ГК "квадратом". МН и ЭМ - ?

von Echenbach: аи Церберус: 4х2 10", концевые башни на верхней палубе вне бруствера. Линейно-возвышенная схема, можно просто линейно. НО - теряется мореходность.

von Echenbach: Всем известный и почитаемый (во всех смыслах) :-) "Улисс" А. Маклина. Ваши предложения - ? Можно не полностью соответствовать ТТЭ первоисточника.

GromoBoy: Его даже рисовали, вроде...

von Echenbach: GromoBoy пишет: Его даже рисовали, вроде... А "улучшить" не слишком строго следуя канону? :-) Творчество...

von Echenbach: Однажды... аи Адмиралтейство посетила идея... английская, изначально. Унификация на основе новых технологий и последующая экономия на ЛгКР. Единый корпус и КМУ на ри основе эсминцев 1 мировой и лидеров. У всех - рубка, щиты - 9мм. 2 - 40 автомат, 4-8 ГБ и возможность принимать 16-20 МЗ. 2 винта, 2 ПТ и 4 ПК, 2 трубы, 28 000 л.с. 1800 миль на 14 уз. Короткий полубак. Радиостанция под мостиком. 1. миноносец: 2 102 (или ромбом 4 76), ТА 4х2 или 4х3 пирамидой по шведскому типу. 2. эсминец (дестроер): 3-4 102, ТА 2-3х2-3 (3 - пирамидой?), 3. лидер: 3 120, 1-2 ТА. Состав флотилии: 1 ЛгКР-скаут (т. Аретюза - м.б. с 8-10 120-мм), 3 лидера, 6 ЭМ, 18 МН. аи миноносец т. Y аи Англия (или иная страна) laid down 1911 Displacement: 1 164 t light; 1 200 t standard; 1 305 t normal; 1 305 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (331,42 ft / 321,52 ft) x 26,25 ft x (9,84 / 10,32 ft) (101,02 m / 98,00 m) x 8,00 m x (3,00 / 3,15 m) Armament: 2 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft 2 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 350 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 69 lbs / 31 kg Main Torpedoes 12 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,247 t each, 14,958 t total In 4 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 27 425 shp / 20 459 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 190 tons Complement: 108 - 141 Cost: £0,148 million / $0,592 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 43 tons, 3,3% - Guns: 13 tons, 1,0% - Weapons: 30 tons, 2,3% Armour: 3 tons, 0,2% - Armament: 2 tons, 0,1% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 742 tons, 56,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 377 tons, 28,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 141 tons, 10,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 389 lbs / 176 Kg = 3,6 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32 Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 10,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,11 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m - Average freeboard: 13,93 ft / 4,25 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 186,4% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92,1% Waterplane Area: 6 131 Square feet or 570 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 58% Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,56 - Longitudinal: 2,49 - Overall: 0,65 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Дестроер тип "О": 4 102, 3х3 та. Displacement: 1 155 t light; 1 200 t standard; 1 305 t normal; 1 389 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (331,42 ft / 321,52 ft) x 26,25 ft x (9,84 / 10,32 ft) (101,02 m / 98,00 m) x 8,00 m x (3,00 / 3,15 m) Armament: 4 - 4,02" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,66lbs / 14,81kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 350 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 135 lbs / 61 kg Main Torpedoes 9 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,247 t each, 11,219 t total In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 27 425 shp / 20 459 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 190 tons Complement: 108 - 141 Cost: £0,150 million / $0,599 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 47 tons, 3,6% - Guns: 24 tons, 1,9% - Weapons: 22 tons, 1,7% Armour: 4 tons, 0,3% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,3% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 734 tons, 56,2% Hull, fittings & equipment: 362 tons, 27,8% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 150 tons, 11,5% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 372 lbs / 169 Kg = 3,4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32 Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 10,5 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,22 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m - Average freeboard: 13,93 ft / 4,25 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 187,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104,7% Waterplane Area: 6 131 Square feet or 570 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 57% Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 136 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,54 - Longitudinal: 2,45 - Overall: 0,63 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Лидер т. "S": 3 120, 2х3 та. Displacement: 1 151 t light; 1 200 t standard; 1 305 t normal; 1 389 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (331,42 ft / 321,52 ft) x 26,25 ft x (9,84 / 10,32 ft) (101,02 m / 98,00 m) x 8,00 m x (3,00 / 3,15 m) Armament: 3 - 4,72" / 120 mm 45,0 cal guns - 53,17lbs / 24,12kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward 2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 350 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model 2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft Weight of broadside 163 lbs / 74 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,247 t each, 7,479 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) 2nd: 0,35" / 9 mm - - - Conning towers: Forward 0,35" / 9 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 27 425 shp / 20 459 Kw = 32,00 kts Range 1 800nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 190 tons Complement: 108 - 141 Cost: £0,151 million / $0,602 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 44 tons, 3,4% - Guns: 29 tons, 2,2% - Weapons: 15 tons, 1,1% Armour: 4 tons, 0,3% - Armament: 3 tons, 0,2% - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 731 tons, 56,0% Hull, fittings & equipment: 365 tons, 27,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 154 tons, 11,8% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 371 lbs / 168 Kg = 3,4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31 Metacentric height 1,1 ft / 0,3 m Roll period: 10,6 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,08 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,550 / 0,558 Length to Beam Ratio: 12,25 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 20,06 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17,00 degrees Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 21,65 ft / 6,60 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Forward deck: 24,00%, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m, 17,06 ft / 5,20 m - Aft deck: 46,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 11,15 ft / 3,40 m, 11,81 ft / 3,60 m - Average freeboard: 13,93 ft / 4,25 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 187,7% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117,3% Waterplane Area: 6 131 Square feet or 570 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 57% Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 138 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,54 - Longitudinal: 2,48 - Overall: 0,63 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Adequate accommodation and workspace room Делайте рисунки или свои предложения.

von Echenbach: Супертяжелый КР сасш, официально 6х2/ "аи-реально" 9х3 тремя пирамидами 203/50 в 10000 т. Для пмо эскадр и поддержки лгКР Центральные валы - электро. Брайтон - laid down 1930, Displacement: 11 177 t light; 12 062 t standard; 12 546 t normal; 12 933 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (626,87 ft / 606,96 ft) x 72,18 ft x (21,33 / 21,79 ft) (191,07 m / 185,00 m) x 22,00 m x (6,50 / 6,64 m) Armament: 27 - 7,99" / 203 mm 50,0 cal guns - 270,21lbs / 122,57kg shells, 140 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1930 Model 3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 6 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread 2 raised mounts 8 - 5,00" / 127 mm 38,0 cal guns - 59,33lbs / 26,91kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 150 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 7 774 lbs / 3 526 kg Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 413,39 ft / 126,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 177,17 ft / 54,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 16,40 ft / 5,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 105% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,54" / 90 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 3,54" / 90 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,65" / 42 mm Forecastle: 0,71" / 18 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,54" / 90 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 60 475 shp / 45 114 Kw = 29,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 13,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 871 tons Complement: 592 - 770 Cost: £5,970 million / $23,879 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 2 349 tons, 18,7% - Guns: 2 349 tons, 18,7% Armour: 2 309 tons, 18,4% - Belts: 673 tons, 5,4% - Armament: 762 tons, 6,1% - Armour Deck: 833 tons, 6,6% - Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0,3% Machinery: 1 833 tons, 14,6% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 687 tons, 37,4% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 368 tons, 10,9% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 12 303 lbs / 5 580 Kg = 48,2 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06 Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 16,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,99 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,02 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a straight bulbous bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,470 / 0,474 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,41 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 26,71 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Aft deck: 40,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Average freeboard: 17,18 ft / 5,24 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104,5% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153,5% Waterplane Area: 29 088 Square feet or 2 702 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94% Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 722 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,97 - Longitudinal: 1,31 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Пан директор: Тогда уже лучше полное электродвижение. Тем более прецеденты у США были. Но в 10К оно не влезет. По годам у вас получается Альтернативная Пенсакола. Вы уверены что оно не опрокинется?

Инженер Сидоров: Пан директор пишет: Тогда уже лучше полное электродвижение. Тем более прецеденты у США были. Причём, весьма и весьма приличные прецеденты - на "Саратоге" и "Лексингтоне" имелось 8 гребных электромоторов (по 2 на вал) общей мощью в 180 килокобыл. Другое дело, что турбоэлектрическая система, хотя и выглядит более маневренной, но выйдет поувесистее турборедукторной.

von Echenbach: Пан директор пишет: лучше полное электродвижение. Инженер Сидоров пишет: весьма приличные прецеденты - на "Саратоге"... поувесистей Именно, что "поувесистее" - только два центральных вала: лучшая защита от торпед/мин и действия снарядов в нижних центральных отсеках. И больше места для погребов: моторы уже ЗА кормовой пирамидой ГК, кабели к ним - почти по днищу в центре. Пан директор пишет: оно не опрокинется? Шарпий не велит, хвалитЪ! Мощность в сравнении с Атаго в два раза менее, шире и короче чуть, и нижние веса больше м.б - за счёт толщины палубы. Надстроек почти нет: аи-пяти-опорная/стоечная грот-мачта с ПУАО и ДМ, и трёхногая фок-мачта (баркетина-бриг-шхуна ??? :-) ) с резервными ПУАО. Несомненно - "револьюционный" проект, "супердредноутская" крейсерская идея - поэтому и есть недостатки и ошибки.

Инженер Сидоров: von Echenbach пишет: кабели к ним - почти по днищу в центре. Лучше над вторым дном - не дай Аллах, торпеда под днищем рванёт, фидерам капецкий придёт. По уму бы их вообще в бронетрубах проложить, причём раздельно для ГЭД ПрБ и ЛБ.

von Echenbach: аи- Флетчер (ПВО): laid down 1939, Displacement: 2 373 t light; 2 536 t standard; 2 699 t normal; 2 829 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (395,19 ft / 377,30 ft) x 42,65 ft x (13,78 / 14,22 ft) (120,45 m / 115,00 m) x 13,00 m x (4,20 / 4,33 m) Armament: 12 - 5,00" / 127 mm 38,0 cal guns - 59,33lbs / 26,91kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model 2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 2 raised mounts - superfiring 8 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 2,11lbs / 0,96kg shells, 950 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 8 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 65,0 cal guns - 0,27lbs / 0,12kg shells, 850 per gun Machine guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model 8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread Weight of broadside 731 lbs / 332 kg Main Torpedoes 8 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,359 t each, 10,868 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 2 - 112,44 lbs / 51,00 kg Depth Charges + 18 reloads - 1,004 t total in Stern depth charge racks Armour: - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,31" / 8 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 2nd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - 3rd: 0,16" / 4 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,50" / 13 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,50" / 13 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 61 209 shp / 45 662 Kw = 36,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 293 tons Complement: 186 - 243 Cost: £1,826 million / $7,305 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 143 tons, 5,3% - Guns: 120 tons, 4,4% - Weapons: 23 tons, 0,9% Armour: 99 tons, 3,7% - Armament: 16 tons, 0,6% - Armour Deck: 82 tons, 3,0% - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,1% Machinery: 1 432 tons, 53,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 699 tons, 25,9% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 326 tons, 12,1% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 776 lbs / 352 Kg = 12,4 x 5,0 " / 127 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,45 Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m Roll period: 11,0 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,05 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and large transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,426 / 0,433 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,85 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 22,61 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 21,00 degrees Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 40,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m - Aft deck: 28,00%, 18,04 ft / 5,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 19,68 ft / 6,00 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184,9% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166,3% Waterplane Area: 10 461 Square feet or 972 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73% Structure weight / hull surface area: 38 lbs/sq ft or 183 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,44 - Longitudinal: 2,82 - Overall: 0,53 Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

von Echenbach: аи- ткр Нортхемптон, аи- ответ Атаго и тактике японского "ночного предварительного боя": 15 8"(аи 6 ыстр\мин боев.), пирамида в корме снижена скорость и уменьшена дальность, 2 гидросамолёта в мирное время в спец. миссии. laid down 1930, Displacement: 8 922 t light; 9 433 t standard; 9 909 t normal; 10 290 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (602,32 ft / 577,43 ft) x 65,62 ft x (16,40 / 16,91 ft) (183,59 m / 176,00 m) x 20,00 m x (5,00 / 5,15 m) Armament: 15 - 7,99" / 203 mm 48,0 cal guns - 267,33lbs / 121,26kg shells, 120 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1930 Model 2 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward 1 raised mount - superfiring 3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 1 raised mount aft - superfiring 12 - 4,02" / 102 mm 44,0 cal guns - 31,93lbs / 14,48kg shells, 200 per gun Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck aft 2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 10 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 850 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1930 Model 10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 10 raised mounts Weight of broadside 4 398 lbs / 1 995 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,323 t each, 7,935 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,43" / 87 mm 406,82 ft / 124,00 m 6,56 ft / 2,00 m Ends: 1,18" / 30 mm 131,23 ft / 40,00 m 9,84 ft / 3,00 m 39,37 ft / 12,00 m Unarmoured ends Main Belt covers 108% of normal length Main Belt inclined 17,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,18" / 30 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 2,36" / 60 mm 2nd: 0,55" / 14 mm 0,28" / 7 mm - 3rd: 0,16" / 4 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm Quarter deck: 1,02" / 26 mm - Conning towers: Forward 4,02" / 102 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 3 shafts, 69 073 shp / 51 529 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 14,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 858 tons Complement: 496 - 645 Cost: £4,287 million / $17,149 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 1 289 tons, 13,0% - Guns: 1 273 tons, 12,8% - Weapons: 16 tons, 0,2% Armour: 1 365 tons, 13,8% - Belts: 433 tons, 4,4% - Armament: 323 tons, 3,3% - Armour Deck: 569 tons, 5,7% - Conning Tower: 40 tons, 0,4% Machinery: 2 093 tons, 21,1% Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 176 tons, 42,1% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 987 tons, 10,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11 411 lbs / 5 176 Kg = 44,7 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12 Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 15,2 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,89 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,558 / 0,562 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,80 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 24,03 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 17,00%, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 33,00%, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Aft deck: 36,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 14,00%, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,36 ft / 6,21 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107,2% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 197,0% Waterplane Area: 26 641 Square feet or 2 475 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104% Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 619 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,96 - Longitudinal: 1,46 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room Warning: Wrong mount for rapid fire gun - 3rd Battery

von Echenbach: Очередная аи-версия "Улисса"/Одиссей: две батареи ГК- УО по 4х2 установки квадратом нос-корма и 4 батареи по 4х2 40-мм на миделе возвышенно и на корме. laid down 1939, Displacement: 5 771 t light; 6 083 t standard; 6 630 t normal; 7 068 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (513,11 ft / 492,13 ft) x 49,21 ft x (18,04 / 18,95 ft) (156,40 m / 150,00 m) x 15,00 m x (5,50 / 5,77 m) Armament: 16 - 5,24" / 133 mm 47,0 cal guns - 74,67lbs / 33,87kg shells, 250 per gun Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1939 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck forward 4 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward 4 raised mounts 16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 650 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft 4 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck aft 16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,25lbs / 0,11kg shells, 950 per gun Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1939 Model 8 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 raised mounts Weight of broadside 1 230 lbs / 558 kg Main Torpedoes 6 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,556 t each, 9,338 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Main DC/AS Mortars 4 - 70,55 lbs / 32,00 kg Depth Charges + 36 reloads - 1,260 t total in Depth charge throwers Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,99" / 76 mm 308,40 ft / 94,00 m 13,12 ft / 4,00 m Ends: Unarmoured Main Belt covers 96% of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,50" / 13 mm 2,01" / 51 mm 2nd: 0,47" / 12 mm 0,24" / 6 mm - 3rd: 0,24" / 6 mm - - - Protected deck - single deck: For and Aft decks: 2,01" / 51 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,50" / 13 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 58 370 shp / 43 544 Kw = 31,00 kts Range 5 600nm at 15,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 985 tons Complement: 366 - 477 Cost: £3,166 million / $12,663 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 416 tons, 6,3% - Guns: 395 tons, 6,0% - Weapons: 21 tons, 0,3% Armour: 1 308 tons, 19,7% - Belts: 501 tons, 7,6% - Armament: 211 tons, 3,2% - Armour Deck: 584 tons, 8,8% - Conning Towers: 11 tons, 0,2% Machinery: 1 579 tons, 23,8% Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 468 tons, 37,2% Fuel, ammunition & stores: 859 tons, 13,0% Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0% Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 8 278 lbs / 3 755 Kg = 115,3 x 5,2 " / 133 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06 Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m Roll period: 14,9 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,71 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,07 Hull form characteristics: Hull has rise forward of midbreak, a normal bow and small transom stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,531 / 0,539 Length to Beam Ratio: 10,00 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,76 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23,00 degrees Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 19,00%, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Forward deck: 46,00%, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 22,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m - Quarter deck: 13,00%, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 18,57 ft / 5,66 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95,8% - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,3% Waterplane Area: 17 009 Square feet or 1 580 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118% Structure weight / hull surface area: 93 lbs/sq ft or 453 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,99 - Longitudinal: 2,00 - Overall: 1,07 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room

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